I know of a recruit who attended a game because patsos was recruiting him at Loyola....kid witnessed patsos bizarre behavior at and during the game (those of us who have watched a patsos coached game , know what I am speaking of) ...and it scared the kid and his family away...it is my understanding that once you play for him he is a really good guy and a good coach...but those crazy antics can hurt his recruiting...fyi- I posted this on the sienna board (when patsos was first hired) and got banned...
Cjb, imo, you're right on. I met him when he was coaching the MAAC All Star team, as they practiced at Mulcahy. He comes off as a really nice guy, but when the lights go on, he changes into his public persona.
He made two subs during the iona game within the first 40 seconds of the game. That kills a kid's confidence.
I read a lot on these boards about coaches actions "killing a kids confidence" and I'm not sure I totally buy it.
I realize they're not paid professionals, but quite frankly, such is life playing at this (D1) level.
Also, don't sell these players short, most have already developed thick skins cutting their teeth in high school and through the AAU ranks.
I'm not condoning Mike Rice or Kevin Bannon (naked free throw) behavior, but let's be real, coaches lose it once in a while, especially in the heat of battle.
I think one would be very hard pressed to find a D1 coach that doesn't, from time to time get in his players faces.
Next thing we'll see in today's PC world are coaches charged with bullying.
He made two subs during the iona game within the first 40 seconds of the game. That kills a kid's confidence.
I read a lot on these boards about coaches actions "killing a kids confidence" and I'm not sure I totally buy it.
I realize they're not paid professionals, but quite frankly, such is life playing at this (D1) level.
Also, don't sell these players short, most have already developed thick skins cutting their teeth in high school and through the AAU ranks.
I'm not condoning Mike Rice or Kevin Bannon (naked free throw) behavior, but let's be real, coaches lose it once in a while, especially in the heat of battle.
I think one would be very hard pressed to find a D1 coach that doesn't, from time to time get in his players faces.
Next thing we'll see in today's PC world are coaches charged with bullying.
C'mon man!
Exactly. You know what killed my confidence? The fact that I sucked. No coach, teacher, or anyone else with the exception of the other player - who was better than me - ever had an impact on my confidence. Kids have short memories, which is usually why coaches get so frustrated!
Coaches can certainly kill a kids confidence. I have seen it happen many times. It usually takes place when a kid is being told one thing by the coach privately and the coach does another thing or says something different publicly. The kid looses trust in the staff and usually starts to question everything they do wrong looking for a reason they are not pleasing people. Yelling at a kid is fine if it is constructive and other methods have not worked but embarrassing a player, abusing a player or playing mind games with a player usually has detrimental effects on a kids confidence.
Coaches can certainly kill a kids confidence. I have seen it happen many times. It usually takes place when a kid is being told one thing by the coach privately and the coach does another thing or says something different publicly. The kid looses trust in the staff and usually starts to question everything they do wrong looking for a reason they are not pleasing people. Yelling at a kid is fine if it is constructive and other methods have not worked but embarrassing a player, abusing a player or playing mind games with a player usually has detrimental effects on a kids confidence.
Don't get me wrong - I'm no fan of the constant yelling, and abusing a kid is a whole different story. I just think, for the most part any effect on confidence, if there is one, is temporary.
I’m a fan of Jimmy Patsos. Years ago I was in BWI Airport heading to Newport, Rhode Island. As my friend and I were standing near the gate, my buddy yelled, “Hey, Jimmy!” and over walked Jimmy Patsos. They had a connection because my friend played for Gary Williams when he coached at American and Jimmy was an assistant to Williams at Maryland. They got to know one another pretty well. Patsos was as personable a guy as you would ever want to meet. My buddy told him that I went to Iona and Jimmy had nice things to say about the Gaels. He asked where we were going. My friend told him that we were heading up to RI to play golf at Newport Country Club for a few days. Jimmy was jealous and said that he was on a recruiting trip. He was a pleasure to speak with and when I would go to Loyola games, he would remember me from that meeting, years later.
Patsos is a wild man on the sidelines, but no one can question the way he turned Loyola around. I wish him well at Siena, except for when they play the Gaels.
I will also never forget a couple of years ago when Loyola got the automatic MAAC bid to the Dance that Jimmy gave the Gaels a plug in his post-game interview, saying that Iona deserved to be in the Tourney. I don’t know if it helped, but that is when we got our first At-Large Bid.
I’m a fan of Jimmy Patsos. Years ago I was in BWI Airport heading to Newport, Rhode Island. As my friend and I were standing near the gate, my buddy yelled, “Hey, Jimmy!” and over walked Jimmy Patsos. They had a connection because my friend played for Gary Williams when he coached at American and Jimmy was an assistant to Williams at Maryland. They got to know one another pretty well. Patsos was as personable a guy as you would ever want to meet. My buddy told him that I went to Iona and Jimmy had nice things to say about the Gaels. He asked where we were going. My friend told him that we were heading up to RI to play golf at Newport Country Club for a few days. Jimmy was jealous and said that he was on a recruiting trip. He was a pleasure to speak with and when I would go to Loyola games, he would remember me from that meeting, years later.
Patsos is a wild man on the sidelines, but no one can question the way he turned Loyola around. I wish him well at Siena, except for when they play the Gaels.
I will also never forget a couple of years ago when Loyola got the automatic MAAC bid to the Dance that Jimmy gave the Gaels a plug in his post-game interview, saying that Iona deserved to be in the Tourney. I don’t know if it helped, but that is when we got our first At-Large Bid.
You would have to look far and wide to find a more abused group then a rookie Marine in Boot Camp during WW2...It borderlined criminal behavior...It is also hard to describe, and much would not be believed...But somehow it fashioned one of histories finest fighting forces...I will always remember, despite the treatment, the last day of the training each and every man making it a point to go to his Drill Instructors to thank and shake their hand for preparing them for what was yet to come.....
I have also learned since then that some of the greatest leaders, Mgrs. and coaches etc. were of the martinet type, but were highly respected and most remembered.......
My choice every time would be such teachers.....I fully realize that this way of thinking has fallen by the wayside, but that old adage of ''Spare the rod, spoil the child'' served us well..........
Coaches can certainly kill a kids confidence. I have seen it happen many times. It usually takes place when a kid is being told one thing by the coach privately and the coach does another thing or says something different publicly. The kid looses trust in the staff and usually starts to question everything they do wrong looking for a reason they are not pleasing people. Yelling at a kid is fine if it is constructive and other methods have not worked but embarrassing a player, abusing a player or playing mind games with a player usually has detrimental effects on a kids confidence.
Don't get me wrong - I'm no fan of the constant yelling, and abusing a kid is a whole different story. I just think, for the most part any effect on confidence, if there is one, is temporary.
Okay I maybe you are giving the word "confidence " to much credence and maybe the word choice was not the best. But as many of you know from a player aspect not coaching, when you know you rope is not long and you are being pulled on every error, maybe your are still confident but you become very passive/reserved in an effort to be mistakes free. I know every possession is vital and should be treated as such but I think playing like this takes flexibility from the kid. I've been a round for a little while and have never witnessed a "mistake-free" game. IMO
05........In your short paragraph post, you used the word ''Kid'' 5 times...For the purpose of any future discussion, respectfully, what to you is the defining age that one passes from a ''KID'' to a responsible adult???.....
