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Post by ic59 on Feb 13, 2014 9:21:49 GMT -5
ctbill, no, but I did notice the improvement when we didn't start DL and kept him out of early foul trouble.
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Post by ghostofwillard on Feb 13, 2014 9:23:47 GMT -5
Anyone notice our change in luck a bit since we retired Richie Guerin's number? Coincidence? It's coincidence, Iona is winning by design, particularly by use of a short rotation
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Post by gregcrow on Feb 13, 2014 10:43:19 GMT -5
No disrespect to anyone looking for more contributions from the bench, but this isn't "Just for Fun Tee-BAll" where everyone participates, we don't keep score, and everyone gets a trophy at the end. Off nights happen whether your 7 or 10 players deep. I have no problem with a short rotation. I don't buy for 1 minute guys in their late teens and early 20's in their condition are tired. The objective is to win games, it appears Cluess is on his way to another 20 win season, I for one am not going to question why he doesn't use the bench, and if you give it some thought the answer is obivious why he doesn't. IMO, a 8 man rotation is optimal in basketball if they produce you really don't need more, Also I believe it lends itself to landing higher level recruits, they know they'll be on the floor! Appreciate you take as always Ghost but watching last night our guys were gassed. Every dead ball we sauntered around while the Peacocks hustled on and off the floor. For well conditioned athletes fatigue often manifests itself in mental and physical mistakes. Sean's play down the stretch was a classic example. Everyone gets burned out a bit a times even twenty year olds. A coach needs to put the team on the floor that gives us the best chance to win. It's hard to criticize Cluess - he's a great coach who does a lot with minimal resources. Last night Sean could've used a blow. He's averaging something like 36 mins a game since November. I am 100% behind the short rotation. I get it. It works. - but I don't know where some of you have got this ridiculous notion that 18-20 year olds don't get tired. I have trained 18-20 year olds in distance running and believe me, I was able to get them tired. Male athletes reach their peak conditioning at much older ages. It's two different issues though, and this coaching staff has handled it brilliantly so far. If the team starts collapsing half way through the MAAC finals, I'll start complaining.
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Post by java on Feb 13, 2014 10:51:34 GMT -5
Appreciate you take as always Ghost but watching last night our guys were gassed. Every dead ball we sauntered around while the Peacocks hustled on and off the floor. For well conditioned athletes fatigue often manifests itself in mental and physical mistakes. Sean's play down the stretch was a classic example. Everyone gets burned out a bit a times even twenty year olds. A coach needs to put the team on the floor that gives us the best chance to win. It's hard to criticize Cluess - he's a great coach who does a lot with minimal resources. Last night Sean could've used a blow. He's averaging something like 36 mins a game since November. I am 100% behind the short rotation. I get it. It works. - but I don't know where some of you have got this ridiculous notion that 18-20 year olds don't get tired. I have trained 18-20 year olds in distance running and believe me, I was able to get them tired. Male athletes reach their peak conditioning at much older ages. It's two different issues though, and this coaching staff has handled it brilliantly so far. If the team starts collapsing half way through the MAAC finals, I'll start complaining. I'm fine with the short bench but there was clearly a disconnect with the substitution rotations between the first and second half. Sledge and Gomez played valuable minutes in the 1st half but hardly played in the 2nd. Agree with Bill that a number of those 2nd half turnovers were caused by mental fatigue due to physical exhaustion. Easy to see by looking at Sean's body language.
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Post by hawaii bill on Feb 13, 2014 10:52:54 GMT -5
We want to go back to the short rotation next week, fine. Right now we've got a gassed team playing SP's at home. We don't have guys on the bench who can get some minutes against SP's at home? Maybe Cluess doesn't want to reward them for poor practices. Tell them it's not a reward. It's an unusual situation. That was our 4th game in eight days including the Buffalo trip.
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Post by ghostofwillard on Feb 13, 2014 10:56:35 GMT -5
Appreciate you take as always Ghost but watching last night our guys were gassed. Every dead ball we sauntered around while the Peacocks hustled on and off the floor. For well conditioned athletes fatigue often manifests itself in mental and physical mistakes. Sean's play down the stretch was a classic example. Everyone gets burned out a bit a times even twenty year olds. A coach needs to put the team on the floor that gives us the best chance to win. It's hard to criticize Cluess - he's a great coach who does a lot with minimal resources. Last night Sean could've used a blow. He's averaging something like 36 mins a game since November. I am 100% behind the short rotation. I get it. It works. - but I don't know where some of you have got this ridiculous notion that 18-20 year olds don't get tired. I have trained 18-20 year olds in distance running and believe me, I was able to get them tired. Male athletes reach their peak conditioning at much older ages. It's two different issues though, and this coaching staff has handled it brilliantly so far. If the team starts collapsing half way through the MAAC finals, I'll start complaining. In fairness there are no timeouts or Ft's in distance running where you get a break. I don't see player exhaustion as a concern. Between Media timeouts,team timeouts, official reviews, and ft attempts if you can't keep up the pace you don't belong on the floor.
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Post by chelseadal on Feb 13, 2014 11:00:57 GMT -5
We want to go back to the short rotation next week, fine. Right now we've got a gassed team playing SP's at home. We don't have guys on the bench who can get some minutes against SP's at home? Maybe Cluess doesn't want to reward them for poor practices. Tell them it's not a reward. It's an unusual situation. That was our 4th game in eight days including the Buffalo trip. In 2011 we played Long Island, then went on the Buffalo trip and then flew to Denver over a 9 day period. I will say Bill, that our depth was much greater then. We had a couple of blow out wins (we won all 4) with 9 or more guys getting minutes and winning at Denver in OT. Obviously, the coach was much more comfortable with the bench 2 years ago (which included Sean and Randy).
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Post by hawaii bill on Feb 13, 2014 11:09:54 GMT -5
That's also in Nov/ Dec Chels. Look I don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill. We won the game and that's all that matters. Cluess knows far better than me about what he's doing. All I'm saying is we almost blew that game last night because we had guys running on fumes.
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Post by sharkey on Feb 13, 2014 11:24:00 GMT -5
Hard to say if the guys being tired played a role on the turnovers late in the game. But in my opinion Gomez more than once this season has come into the game and stabilize the team when they played a little sloppy or out of control. The way the ball was being turned over, IMO, there was a role for Gomez late in the game to protect the ball. TC did finally put him in real late. The good news the Gaels hung on for the win despite playing so poorly. Lets get this win Friday night against Monmouth and then there is a week off to rest up and heal up some of the nagging injuries. Must game Friday night
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Post by chelseadal on Feb 13, 2014 11:26:09 GMT -5
That's also in Nov/ Dec Chels. Look I don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill. We won the game and that's all that matters. Cluess knows far better than me about what he's doing. All I'm saying is we almost blew that game last night because we had guys running on fumes. It looked that way. Question, it was Poole that made the poor out of bounds pass that let St Petes tie the game in the closing seconds, wasn't it?
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Post by hawaii bill on Feb 13, 2014 11:31:50 GMT -5
Honestly don't recall. My face was in my hands at that point.
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Post by FL-JW '86 on Feb 13, 2014 11:35:18 GMT -5
What's wrong with Sean? With his recent play, perhaps Cluess should contemplate bringing him off the bench too. Disappointing shooting over the past couple of games and numerous turnovers during critical moments. Only a tremendous last minute shot by A.J. kept this game from slipping away into overtime with the Peacock's having all the momentum. Is he tired, has he lost confidence? This is when we need our senior leader to step up, find his stroke and take charge. Go get 'em Sean!
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Post by GuyF on Feb 13, 2014 11:39:58 GMT -5
Did any of the coaches show up to the postgame reception? Why not ask them about the short rotation?
Personally it makes no difference to me. If Cluess thinks he can win the title with 6 guys, who am I to question him?
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Post by hawaii bill on Feb 13, 2014 11:58:37 GMT -5
Go with a short rotation that's fine. But if the situation cries out for you to be flexible on occasion be flexible. One more game then a week off to regroup.
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Post by husker76 on Feb 13, 2014 12:02:45 GMT -5
Chelseadal, you were correct Mike Poole inbounded the ball at the end. I think it crazy to question Coach Cluess' use of a short rotation, especially this season with the rash of injuries. His track record at Iona is that he uses a lot of bodies and different rotations during the first half of the season and then settles on a set of rotations depending on our opponent later in the year. If players in games or practices cannot value each possession or play consistent defense then they should be limited on playing time. By now we should realize it is all about how we finish the year and winning the MAAC Tournament, nothing else. I now appreciate that the early season OOC games are to challenge the players and are a recruiting tool. Coach Cluess is using these early season games to evaluate his players in game situations and who compliments who. I pray Coach Cluess and his staff stay at Iona a few more years. In my opinion in his short tenure at Iona he has shown he is a very good college coach who should get consideration for open positions at "major" programs. I say sit back and enjoy while the ride lasts.
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