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Post by GuyF on Dec 15, 2014 16:24:48 GMT -5
That gives you guys more than a month to manipulate the story and cover-up the truth. Good job guys. Maybe by then Poole will have beaten up half of campus.
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Post by hawaii bill on Dec 15, 2014 16:36:02 GMT -5
It's really pathetic that all the Siena fans have left at this point is to come on this board and talk about DL3. It would seem that they would be more concerned about the embarrassing condition of their own program and their recent humiliating loss to UAlbany. Soup and WP, in true troll fashion, only care about getting a reaction out of whoever they are trolling. There is an anti-social component to the psychology of the internet troll. They will embellish things, make stuff up, say outrageous things solely for the purpose of getting their victims worked up. It actually says more about them than it does Iona, us, etc. They will troll the Siena fans too. Every program around here, including Siena, has its issues and makes certain choices it has to live with. One program takes a guy with doctored transcripts. One took back a coach who lied on his resume because he's a good coach - let's hope he wins more than 2 games this year otherwise there may be issues. One hasn't won anything in 20 years, is currently on NCAA probation for "inadvertent" violations of NCAA rules and some how has managed to land a heralded recruit who's gotten into two fist fights with teammates in the last two years. Siena has had to expel a guy for theft, had guys with drinking and drug problems, another guy with an assault, a coach who babbles gibberish and verbally abuses his players. They also have lunatics associated with their staff accusing the coach of having a major drug problem. They're a freakin' circus. My point is that its not enough to say hey we're no worse than everybody else. We need to make sure our own house is in order and act with integrity. The previous administration was basically inept. We had a guy report fraudulent numbers to a ratings service, a nun for god's sake embezzling to support a gambling habit, and a President who appear to have been simultaneously an egomaniac and incompetent. We've moved in the right direction getting passed all that and now have people in charge who are smart and competent. My wish, and I have no reason to believe its not happening, is that we treat this seriously and act appropriately with the best interest of the College in mind. I don't want to crucify Dave. I don't reject him as a human being. All I want to see is that he is appropriately treated and we do whatever we need to do to maintain our integrity. I'm tired of seeing headlines that put the College in a bad light.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 16:50:10 GMT -5
ct, are you insinuating that the school must have known that the transcript was fraudulent?
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Post by husker76 on Dec 15, 2014 16:53:49 GMT -5
In my opinion it is time to let this incident run it's course through the legal system. The unfortunate aspect of the court system, as I stated previously, is that it will take more time than anybody would ever want. The January court date is typically just another step towards resolution. Patience will be needed by everybody involved even though they want it finalized much sooner. I am pretty sure that David, his room-mate and anyone else involved never could have imagined how disruptive the incident would be to their lives. We will have to wait and see what the outcome will ultimately be. Let us let the process work and not insert opinions and make assumptions on what happened or the outcome. I feel it is not constructive nor fair to everyone involved.
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Post by billmurray on Dec 15, 2014 16:53:51 GMT -5
Good job by Jeremy Fuchs for staying on top of this and by Guy for putting the info out here. Why is it a good job? This was posted on Twitter by someone not associated with the college. Fuchs was the author of the original media report I believe. Good job by him following up on the story. Good job by you because you didn't have to retweet or post here, but you did.
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Post by hawaii bill on Dec 15, 2014 17:02:22 GMT -5
ct, are you insinuating that the school must have known that the transcript was fraudulent? My understanding, from an assistant coach who was quoted, is that its pretty easy to determine if a transcript has been doctored or looks "funny." Is that not the case? If not I'll retract what I posted and we'll just have to go with other problems St. John's has had over the years. My point isn't to judge St. John's. My point is that whatever any other school does simply doesn't matter. I want Iona to be a school that acts with integrity. That was the point of my original post. I hope someone from the College has read it.
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Post by St. Louis Gael on Dec 15, 2014 17:55:58 GMT -5
ct, are you insinuating that the school must have known that the transcript was fraudulent? My understanding, from an assistant coach who was quoted, is that its pretty easy to determine if a transcript has been doctored or looks "funny." Is that not the case? If not I'll retract what I posted and we'll just have to go with other problems St. John's has had over the years. My point isn't to judge St. John's. My point is that whatever any other school does simply doesn't matter. I want Iona to be a school that acts with integrity. That was the point of my original post. I hope someone from the College has read it. To paraphrase a poster on this Board, life gave DL3 a little lemonade and now some people here are making sure David sucks on lemons. The young man was suspended for his transgression. He served his suspension by placing himself in front of his team-mates and accepting responsibility. What more does anyone want Iona to do at this point? Frankly, I am more concerned that David's arrest record may undermine all of the great work he has done in moving his life forward while at Iona. Iona will survive this; I hope David will also overcome it. Bill, maybe you can help David with some legal advice so that he is not caught up in career arresting question - "Have you ever been arrested?".
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Post by gtm72 on Dec 15, 2014 18:00:04 GMT -5
[/quote] No I hear you, Iona players beat the shit out of people, but common sense tells you Iona's team will suffer and there will be a "another call soon" so you'll let it slide especially when the coach is smoooooth talker. I get it. But, It's a shame that breaking the law doesn't count if you're good at hoops in New Ro.[/quote]
OR, if you're less than marginal at hoops in Loudonville.
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Post by hawaii bill on Dec 15, 2014 18:29:18 GMT -5
My understanding, from an assistant coach who was quoted, is that its pretty easy to determine if a transcript has been doctored or looks "funny." Is that not the case? If not I'll retract what I posted and we'll just have to go with other problems St. John's has had over the years. My point isn't to judge St. John's. My point is that whatever any other school does simply doesn't matter. I want Iona to be a school that acts with integrity. That was the point of my original post. I hope someone from the College has read it. To paraphrase a poster on this Board, life gave DL3 a little lemonade and now some people here are making sure David sucks on lemons. The young man was suspended for his transgression. He served his suspension by placing himself in front of his team-mates and accepting responsibility. What more does anyone want Iona to do at this point? Frankly, I am more concerned that David's arrest record may undermine all of the great work he has done in moving his life forward while at Iona. Iona will survive this; I hope David will also overcome it. Bill, maybe you can help David with some legal advice so that he is not caught up in career arresting question - "Have you ever been arrested?". I'm not posting to make sure Dave suffers. I'm posting to let the administration or anyone reading from the college know that I want the college to do the right thing here, whatever it is, even if that means disciplining a star player; David or anyone else who may do something wrong. I don't even know what Dave did. All I know is that he was arrested for assault. I'm not going to judge Dave as human being. Young people do stupid things sometimes. I'm simply voicing my wish that this is handled appropriately. I didn't make up this newspaper article to smear Dave. That's all I'm going to say about it.
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Post by GuyF on Dec 15, 2014 19:14:44 GMT -5
CTBill, why question whether "the right thing" will be done?
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Post by hawaii bill on Dec 15, 2014 19:37:00 GMT -5
CTBill, why question whether "the right thing" will be done? Guy that's a good question. I'm not questioning whether the right thing will be done. I know in this situation with most schools the temptation is to do what's in the best interest of winning basketball games. Hopefully we will do what is the right thing to do. That's the only thing I am saying. I want us to do the right thing. If people hold the opinion that saying as much isn't necessary, fine. Sometimes its important to voice the opinion I'm voicing. Maybe I'm a little weary of seeing negative press after the last administration. I don't want to see anymore for a long time.
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Post by widespreadpanic on Dec 15, 2014 20:09:03 GMT -5
That gives you guys more than a month to manipulate the story and cover-up the truth. Good job guys. Maybe by then Poole will have beaten up half of campus. It's quite possible, but can you blame him with the douche factor on the Siena campus? Btw my Cal Bears are 9-1.
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Post by widespreadpanic on Dec 15, 2014 20:11:10 GMT -5
FuckFace, I can't believe you would say such things about me. Take it back or you'll be filing the same charges DL3 is facing against me.
I thought we were friends.
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Post by albanygael on Dec 15, 2014 20:16:49 GMT -5
I too am interested in seeing that the right thing gets done and I have faith in coach Cleuss and Dr. Nyre. A young man gets in a fight and the police are involved. I recall a similar event from my days at Iona when a brawl broke out at the Church Key on North Ave. the police came and our buts were saved by Br. Daly. It cost us a few bucks but we weren't kicked out of school or suspended. We were told to get our acts together or find a new school. Justice tempered with mercy and a lesson learned. Live Jesus in our hearts.
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Post by widespreadpanic on Dec 15, 2014 20:49:23 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm hoping and counting on you continuing the Iona tradition of the wrong thing so I can turn it into a thousand jokes.
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