Donald Rumsfeld, in two separate interviews, claims to have never heard of WTC building 7, the third building that collapsed on 9/11 in the exact manner of a controlled demolition. (The only steel framed building in world history to collapse due to fire). Strange, I did. What's even more strange is not only was he the Secretary of Defense, but he was also Chairman of the Board of Salomon Brothers which occupied 37 of the 47 floors of the building. He was also photographed in front of the wreckage of building 7 with Rudy Guiliani two days after 9/11. So then how could he not have heard that the building which his company occupied collapsed in the worst terror attack in history. Why would he lie? The fact that this may lead to some unsavory ideas is not lost on me, but it is an important question to ask nonetheless. Here is the link to the second interview where he tries to deny all knowledge of building 7. This second interviewer makes reference to the first denial and all of the sudden Rummy says "Oh my gosh, yes, I seem to remember something like that."
How could he not have heard of building 7, and the fact that it collapsed, when he was chairman of the board of the company that occupied it? What is he running away from in two separate interviews no less. (After the first interview at least he heard of it). But really if he was chair of the board of Salomon and also U.S. Secretary of Defense you'd think he might have somehow gotten wind of it. Especially since he was photographed in front of the wreckage with Guiliani two days after 9/11. Now Cjb, I know you are one of the best posters in this forum but I'm going to need a better answer then "Dilly dilly". After all, if you are going to go along with wild conspiracy theories, you have to back them up logic and/or evidence. Maybe watch the video that I posted again, and think about what is going on there.
Donald Rumsfeld, in two separate interviews, claims to have never heard of WTC building 7, the third building that collapsed on 9/11 in the exact manner of a controlled demolition. (The only steel framed building in world history to collapse due to fire). Strange, I did. What's even more strange is not only was he the Secretary of Defense, but he was also Chairman of the Board of Salomon Brothers which occupied 37 of the 47 floors of the building. He was also photographed in front of the wreckage of building 7 with Rudy Guiliani two days after 9/11. So then how could he not have heard that the building which his company occupied collapsed in the worst terror attack in history. Why would he lie? The fact that this may lead to some unsavory ideas is not lost on me, but it is an important question to ask nonetheless. Here is the link to the second interview where he tries to deny all knowledge of building 7. This second interviewer makes reference to the first denial and all of the sudden Rummy says "Oh my gosh, yes, I seem to remember something like that."
Donald Rumsfeld, in two separate interviews, claims to have never heard of WTC building 7, the third building that collapsed on 9/11 in the exact manner of a controlled demolition. (The only steel framed building in world history to collapse due to fire). Strange, I did. What's even more strange is not only was he the Secretary of Defense, but he was also Chairman of the Board of Salomon Brothers which occupied 37 of the 47 floors of the building. He was also photographed in front of the wreckage of building 7 with Rudy Guiliani two days after 9/11. So then how could he not have heard that the building which his company occupied collapsed in the worst terror attack in history. Why would he lie? The fact that this may lead to some unsavory ideas is not lost on me, but it is an important question to ask nonetheless. Here is the link to the second interview where he tries to deny all knowledge of building 7. This second interviewer makes reference to the first denial and all of the sudden Rummy says "Oh my gosh, yes, I seem to remember something like that."
Donald Rumsfeld, in two separate interviews, claims to have never heard of WTC building 7, the third building that collapsed on 9/11 in the exact manner of a controlled demolition. (The only steel framed building in world history to collapse due to fire). Strange, I did. What's even more strange is not only was he the Secretary of Defense, but he was also Chairman of the Board of Salomon Brothers which occupied 37 of the 47 floors of the building. He was also photographed in front of the wreckage of building 7 with Rudy Guiliani two days after 9/11. So then how could he not have heard that the building which his company occupied collapsed in the worst terror attack in history. Why would he lie? The fact that this may lead to some unsavory ideas is not lost on me, but it is an important question to ask nonetheless. Here is the link to the second interview where he tries to deny all knowledge of building 7. This second interviewer makes reference to the first denial and all of the sudden Rummy says "Oh my gosh, yes, I seem to remember something like that."
Fellas, relax, all I did was ask a couple questions and post videos of President George and Rummy. I don't know what happened on 9/11, I'm not one of those "conspiracy theorists" (that term is the classic MIND STOP). All I did was ask some questions and post two videos. I haven't gotten any sensible answers as of yet. But as long as we're here, lets look at a few other things. Just to barely scratch the surface;
-Why did Bush and Cheney refuse to form the 9/11 commission for 411 days, which is an unheard of amount of time to form such a commission. The Warren Commision, for example was formed within a week of the JFK assassination Why, under intense pressure from victim's families, did they wait until the last piece of steel from building 7 was ILLEGALLY melted down in China before they formed the commission? (sort of like performing an autopsy after the body has been cremated).
-Why was the steel being illegally melted down in China in the first place? It sort of screams cover up, no?
-Why did the chairman of the 9/11 commission, Thomas Kean, say "I believe we were set up to fail. We were not given enough time, money, and most importantly, we were not given subpoena power" What would be the point in forming such a commission without subpoena power? It's unprecedented. Anybody suspect something might be being hidden?
-Why did commission member Max Cleland, a highly decorated Army Officer and former U.S. Senator, resign from the commission saying "This is a national disgrace. wasn't even given subpoena power" ?
-Many of the accused hijackers claim to still be living in Pakistan. They say they are being wrongly accused. They want the airport surveillance videos shown, so they can prove their innocence. The Bush answer was "we can't because it might jeopardize public safety". So the question obviously becomes how could releasing the videos jeopardize public safety 16 years later? (Any government conspiracy subscribers getting suspicious yet). I am not a conspiracy theorist: I don't know what happened. It's the people who claim to know what happened that are the conspiracy theorists, and they need to back it up. The only 9/11 airport video shown was Mohammed Atta in an airport in Portland ME on the morning of 9/11 which has no evidentiary value. They then released a video from Newark but it was not time/date stamped. All airport videos are date time/stamped. They say they can't show the stamp because it might "jeopardize public safety". How? And why was the one they released from Portland time/date stamped if it would "jeopardize public safety"? And Atta is just one of the 19 accused. How about the others?
-The Pentagon plane hit it's exact target ( the accounting office on the ground floor, which was investigating the missing 2.3 trillion dollars that also wasn't being covered in the mainstream media, you have to watch him say it on you tube videos. Their hushing up the sex harassment issue in the military as well in the mainstream media) at close to 600mph. That's 600 mph. This is top speed at 37,000 ft. You can't fly a commercial airliner that fast near sea level; the air is to dense. That's why they go up 37.00 ft in the first place. The pilot, according to his instructor, could barely taxi a Cesna to the runway. He performed a maneuver that most trained commercial pilots say they couldn't do(landing a 757 on a dime) at 250 mph let alone 600 mph. Was it a drone? 757's can't fly that fast at sea level without breaking apart or at the very least showing tremendous instability, and if it was so unstable, how could he have hit a dime? Show the videos.
-Why can't they release those videos of the plane hitting the Pentagon? You guessed it; "because it might jeopardize public safety". Again? Still after 16 years? Anybody getting suspicious yet? There were 85 private security cameras that had a view of the pentagon wedge that was hit. They were all confiscated in only 45 minutes. How did they even know where they were? Does it not sound ridiculous that they can't release them because it "might jeopardize public safety"? Again does this not scream cover up?
- NORAD has air bases up and down the east coast and throughout the country, and they are stocked with f-15's and 16's. (TOP SPEED 1800 MPH) Including Andrews airforce base which is only 10 miles outside D.C. They routinely intercept flights that fly slightly of course just in case there is something wrong. They do this over 100 times per year and in only 10 to 15 minutes. The Government says they couldn't because they had an unprecedented amount of "wargames" going on at that exact day and hour. That they totally crippled the ability to perform their stated duties.Are they really that stupid to do something like that? Was this just another one of those wild coincidences"? Could Pakistani street punks armed with plastic knives have known about the military wargames in advance? How? How believable is this? Why couldn't they protect the skies over America which is their sole purpose. From the NORAD mission statement; "To protect the skies over America from both "foreign and domestic threats". Now Rummy changed the story a bit when he testified before Congress saying the reason was because they "were looking outward and didn't anticipate a domestic threat to the airspace" Total nonsense. It's in the NORAD mission statement. This nonsense about nobody anticipating domestic airplane threats; just nonsense. This is the reason that all flight over the city of Atlanta was banned during 96 Olympic games and in Sydney in 2000. It's commonplace for countries to do this. it has been a well known threat for some time. In fact some lunatic even crashed a small airplane on the White House lawn just outside Bill Clinton's bedroom shortly before he left office. The Japanese kamikaze phenomenon has been extremely well known for example. How could they say this was an unknown threat? What is the job of the 400billion a year military and the who knows how many hundred billion dollar intelligence community? It's to figure these things out. Now given the above, how could they not know about a possible threat.
-Why did the CIA follow these men, who were on the terror watch list, into the U.S. and not alert authorities here? Does this story really make any sense? (I hope nobody says "yes it must make sense because the mainstream media reported it")
-The FBI was called by a flight school and told that these men were taking flying lessons and were not interested in doing any take offs and landings. The school personnel said they were worried that they might be planning on hijacking aircraft and flying them into the wtc. These men were ALREADY ON THE TERROR WATCH LIST!!! The FBI did nothing. They didn't even alert the airlines and say if these guys try to buy tickets, let us know. Why not? Why did they do nothing?
-Why did Bush and Condaleeza Rice in many speeches say that nobody could have imagined hijacking and flying into buildings? They were warned by the flight school for example. Dan Rather reported that they were training for just such an attack on and before 9/11. Why would Bush and Rice say that?
-Why do some people think that politicians and government officials never lie? Never in the history of the western world?
-Why did Secretary of Defense during the Vietnamese War, Bob McNamara, say while teaching at Harvard, the Gulf of Tonkin attack never happened? (The Gulf of Tonkin was what initiated the aggressive phases of the Vietnamese War.) It was a false flag. Why have most people never heard of it? Seems like a story to me.
- Why have most people never heard of the USS Main false flag operation that the U.S used to start the Spanish American War? A little yellow journalism anyone?
-Why have so few people heard of the document (which was, some say mistakenly, declassified by the Clinton administration in 1993) which details Operation Northwoods. (everybody here should google this, I don't have the link handy). Start with maybe the wiki article or some article describing it and proceed to the original document. This was a plan by the military/CIA to hijack a plane and blame Cuba for it. Thus justifying an invasion of Cuba. Luckily JFK rejected the plan as sheer lunacy, seeing that the Eisenhower administration had already foisted the idiotic Bay of Pigs invasion on him. (Eisehower anticipated Nixon winning the presidency.)
So you see guys, false flag operations are not so far fetched after all. They've been going on since antiquity, since the time of Nero. "Rome burned and Nero fiddled" goes the ancient saying. Luckily for Nero there were religious radicals who called themselves Christians on hand to blame for it. This is how Peter and Paul were martyred. Hitler, Himmler, and Goebbels used them over and over during the Third Reich. Hitler said the legitamacy of them does not matter since we are in control of the media.
Today the American media is controlled by six holding companies. Would it really be impossible for certain Government factions to infiltrate those six boards over the decades? This is one of the dangers of such a high level of media concentration, which began in the 80's under Reagan, to the chagrin of liberal watchdog groups.
Now I don't know what happened and I'm not saying it was definitely a false flag. But what I'm saying is that there are enough very serious problems with the Government's conspiracy theory to at least ask for a "real investigation" this time. (the above questions are just such a small sampling of all the issues with their conspiracy theory) This time their should be a real commission that nobody resigns from. One that actually has full subpoena power, for example, and that addresses ALL of the families questions instead of ignoring 70% of them. Yes, that's right, they ignored 70% of the families questions. Why?
OK 1983, let's do it this way. In order to support your conspiracy theory, pick one question, just one, maybe the easiest one, and write a logical, well supported answer. Then maybe others can start to answer some of the more difficult ones.(There are literally hundreds of more problems with the official account but I don't have the time).
So maybe go for this one; Why did the FBI, after being contacted by the flight school about their students who did not want to know take offs and landings, and WHO WERE ALREADY ON THE TERROR WATCHLIST, and told "we think that they are planning on hijacking planes and flying them into buildings", not do anything. They did not even contact any airlines and tell them to notify them if they tried to buy airline tickets. Well they did buy tickets, unbelievably, using their own identities and credit cards. Nothing was done. (is anybody really this stupid, let alone the FBI?) I need an explanation for this and all the other hundreds of problems with the Governments conspiracy theory, like why did Bush and Rice say nobody could have imagined it. (I'm always skeptical of conspiracy theories, and you should be too.)
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And by the way, since you called the posts stupid, why did the government have to change their story drastically on two MAJOR points after it was questioned? Is it really stupid to question the government? You can't really believe that 1983. (Every time a politician gets caught lying the other side says that all politicians lie. So why would you be surprised if Cheney and Bush are lying or "mistaken"?)
First the PBS show "How the towers fell" promulgated the pancake collapse idea. It was a Physicist who got them to admit that this was ludicrous and the show never aired again. (For example, where were the pancaked floors at the bottom of each tower?) So they admitted they were wrong and it took them eight years to come up with an even dumber theory called the pile driver theory. EIGHT YEARS!!! Why is pursuing knowledge and truth stupid? They also admitted that wtc7 fell in free fall for the first eight stories, something they previously denied for the first three years. So now we know and now this has to be explained. So you see, seeking knowledge and the truth is a good thing.
There are thousands of PHD's around the world, 53 of whom who have won Nobel prizes and national academy of sciences medals, who do not believe the conspiracy theory; are they stupid? There are thousands of architects and engineers who are brave enough to belong to the truth organization AE9/11truth. There are thousands of other people who have signed another petition to have a real investigation into what really happened, including such politicians as Jimmy Carter and Max Cleland. Are they stupid? I really expect a thoughtful response on these points from you 1983. A good site to visit is AE9/11truth. Watch some videos, read some articles.
You will see a lot of ridiculous theories out there; ignore them. (e.g. the Martians did it, UFO's did it, the planes were really holograms, the jews did it and all jews were told not to come to work) Some say these absurd theories were put out there so they would be conflated with all subsequent theories. ( would be a clever tactic) I certainly made that error in logic for 16 years until a thoughtful person whom I respected sat down with me and got me to drop all my biases. I then began to see how ridiculous almost every point of their story was. On almost every point from A to Z. Starting with how the CIA did not alert the FBI when they followed them into the country. However the FBI had to find out about from the flight school and then THEY DID NOTHING, EVEN THOUGH THESE GUYS WERE ALREADY ON THE TEROR WATCH LIST. You have to admit this makes no sense, as does the rest of their story.
As I said before, I really expect a thoughtful response from you 1983. You really need to look at this with a totally clear mind. Other good sites are 9/11blogger and 9/11 research.
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Hey 83, I was just reviewing some of the other posts on the off topic discussion threads. YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO CALL MY POSTS STUPID? HOW?
I was posting about the murders of thousands of innocent people, several of whom I grew up with. People I shared crayons and pencils with when I was a little kid. Am I really wrong to be suspicious of the Government's conspiracy theory? Can't ask questions like "why don't they release the videos of the accused hijackers?" Or, "how could someone who couldn't fly a cesna, fly a 757 600 mph at sea level (physically impossible) and land it on a dime? Why even try when you have spent 2 years planning and everything has gone right. Why try such a risky maneuver when all he had to do was aim for the roof which has several acres to target instead of a dime? Why can't anyone question government?
There's an old adage "the first casualty of war is the truth". We know Bush lied about the WMD in Iraq to fight that war. We know they were lying about the anthrax when that story suddenly disappeared. (people; research that story, you'll be shocked). Don't tell me my posts are stupid. If you think that then tell me why? Why won't they release the videos of the accused hijackers getting on the plane? And why can't they show the 85 videos from the 85 cameras that were confiscated by the FBI, of the alleged hijacker hani hanjour (who couldn't even fly a cesna according to his flight instructor)? Show the videos. The fact they won't show them screams cover up. Don't you think so? Please tell me why you don't think it does. Tell me why it is stupid to even be suspicious of something like that? I think you'd have to be extremely naïve NOT to be suspicious of that.
When the Central Park five were convicted in the media, it didn't matter what evidence their attorney brought into court. THEY WERE GUILTY NO MATTER WHAT!!! It didn't matter that they were in a different part of the park when the crime took place. It didn't matter that the DNA that was discovered did not match any of the defendants. The media is extremely authoritative and they said the kids were guilty so they were found guilty. People who think of themselves as educated are depending on the media so they buy into it instantly. It's a bit of a dilemma for those of us who are trying to learn as much as we can about what is going on in the world. We don't want to think that what we think we know could be wrong. We trust in the media because that's what we've got. That's all we've got.
If sexual harassment in the military isn't getting covered in the media, even after Gilibrands senate hearing on the issue (it was a 12 hr story), we know at least the military can muzzle the media. Women do about 85% of the shopping in this country so the commercial media naturally have to cater to the interests of feminists and women in general. This would be a huge issue about the military if they were allowed to cover it. Certainly much bigger then Charlie Rose, or Al Franken, or Clarence Thomas.
You need to provide an explanation of why you are not suspicious. And why is anybody who is suspicious stupid?
Whenever I think of my past, it brings back so many memories. O WHAT IF YOU ARE ALIEN HYBRID? THAT DOESN’T MEAN YOU OWN US! YOU KNOW DAMN WELL THERE ARE ABOUT AT LEAST 100 DIFFERENT TYPES OF ALIEN HYBRIDS ON PLANET EARTH RIGHT NOW AND WE ARE ALL WAKING UP HONEY! PREPARE FOR WAR! SHALL I TELL PEOPLE ABOUT THE ENTIRE CITY INSIDE THE HOLLOW EARTH? SHALL I TELL PEOPLE THAT YOU CAME HERE AND LEFT YOUR OWN PLANET TO INFILTRATE OURS AND NOW SOME OF YOU STILL CURRENTLY RESIDE ON THE MOON!
911 will get the blame for the close of welfare reform, not the republican and Clinton laws. The newly homeless will not get any United Way money for their troubles. Me, I am waiting for the fools of peg leg they stand to fall over. I'm staying out of their lives. Private $$ now has a communist mother to help with their one way wealth. You know they live on their oral sex to avoid their gay unconscious condition. And their money helps the one-sidedness.
911 will get the blame for the close of welfare reform, not the republican and Clinton laws. The newly homeless will not get any United Way money for their troubles. Me, I am waiting for the fools of peg leg they stand to fall over. I'm staying out of their lives. Private $$ now has a communist mother to help with their one way wealth. You know they live on their oral sex to avoid their gay unconscious condition. And their money helps the one-sidedness.
GREG
GREG...Up early.....Between you and Rexson's posts a hellava a way to start the day off...Get help fast......!!!!
