Video mandate

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One of the numerous blatant holes in the governments conspiracy theory about the 9/11 hijackings is the fact that they claim they cannot release the videos of the accused hijackers moving the through the airports then boarding the flights on the morning of 9/11.  The reason, they claim, is that it "might jeopardize public safety".  Since this makes absolutely no sense (They claim everyone has been dead for 16 years) I think they should be required to release all videos from the airports on that morning.  What say you all?

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Since the government's claim that they cannot release the video evidence of the accused actually boarding the 9/11 flights makes absolutely no sense to any sane or reasonable person, one worries why people don't care that the government used this conspiracy theory to kill over a million innocent people. Real people. Used it as justification to torture people. To decimate the fourth amendment. To spend trillions of dollars on wars and increased military and deep state spending.

Governments have always lied about war. Always. There is nothing new under the sun. We, as do most countries, have a proven track record of lying about war. We have lied to start wars, escalate wars, and stay in wars. As a point of fact, it is standard procedure to lie or keep truth from the people in order to engage them in war. Since this is such an important issue, won't you Iona grads give a study of history a chance, including a study of 9/11?

[hawaii bill]

No. 1) It is not the government's conspiracy theory; it is your conspiracy theory; 2) There is no evidence that supports the government staged the murder of American citizens on 9/11 in order to justify attacking Afghanistan.

FWIW one choice s/b No, there is no evidence to support the theory that the federal gov't staged the 9/11 attacks.

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I can't be the conspiracy theorist Bill because I don't purport to know what happened on 9/11. The government however, purports to know what happened. Therefore they are the conspiracy theorists. What I am saying is that their conspiracy theory does not make sense. You see?

Now I don't understand the second part of your post. It's not the people who don't believe the conspiracy theory that have to submit proof or evidence, it is the conspiracy theorists who have to show the evidence. Isn't that right? It's the accuser that has to prove his case. Where are their signed boarding passes? They refuse to show them. Where are the flight manifests? They refuse to show them. (ironically as I am writing this I am watching the central park 5 documentary. We always believe what we see first on the idiot box.)

After all, with all due respect, the government used their conspiracy theory to go to war. To spend trillions, to kill 1 million innocents, as justification to torture. As justification to decimate the fourth amendment. They assure us that they have them though, just like they assured us that they would find WMD in Iraq before we went to war there. I'm sorry, I'd be one to call their bluff.  This is much more severe then putting an individual in jail, not to make light of that, but here we're killing masses of people.

Of course I don't mean to insinuate that these are the only reasons I don't believe the conspiracy theory. There are mountains and mountains of evidence that suggest their conspiracy theory could not be true. There are mountains and mountains of evidence that make the governments actions after 9/11 look like a brazen cover up. A very, very brazen cover up. I can only furnish an extremely small sample of it here because it is so voluminous.

Governments, certainly including the U.S. government, have a long track record of lying to get us into wars, stay in them, and escalate them. I've posted just a small sample of these in other threads. There are those that ask "why would government want to get us into war"?  Power.  War leads to a concentration of power, and more importantly, a rationalization of that power.  As another strong incentive; money.  For example Cheney and Bush, to name just a couple, made countless millions on defense stocks and options on those stocks from these wars. This is very shady and I'm being kind here. Then money begets more power and power in turn begets more money.

One more thing about the government's story being extremely weak.  This is a cumulative argument as opposed to a deductive argument. In a deductive argument the chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. If one point fails then the whole argument fails. This is not that kind of argument.  This is a CUMULATIVE ARGUMENT and it is so extensive as to make the government's case look ridiculous to the objective person. (I'll start to unpack it soon). You could put a small nick on the argument "they refuse to show the video of the accused walking through the airports" by saying you "assume" it has "something to do with" counter-intelligence. But with all these other serious problems you still have to deal. It has almost no effect on the entirety of the evidence that the gov. is lying or covering up since it is so voluminous.  All of it just looks really really bad for the gov's story.

The way these problems, of which I will try to list a small percentage of below, are dealt with by the government conspiracy theorists is mostly saying that they are just coincidences. And they just seem to never be concerned with all the very strong evidence of a cover up. And there IS much evidence of a cover up. Cover-ups and false statements are the things that become the most telling and damning evidence in the long run.

P.S. I hope you are not taking this as a challenge. What I expect from someone like you is impartiality. I don't pretend to be the one who is smart enough to find all of this out. I too always believed that people who rejected the governments conspiracy theory were nut jobs. I did. Then someone very smart from Europe sat down with me and showed me all the evidence of cover up which is the thing that really looks bad for the government. You believe what you SEE FIRST. You believe what you see coming over the airwaves. When H.G. Wells "War of the Worlds" was read on the radio they had Americans coming out of their houses with shotguns. The air waves are a very powerful medium. The whole week of 9/11 we were bombarded with the shock and awe of it all. Then we were swiftly told that they knew exactly who did it. Bin Laden. They knew almost immediately who the 19 hijackers were and they immediately posted their pictures on those airwaves. So it got ingrained in our minds what happened early on. Bush said let us not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories. And indeed someone was putting absurd conspiracy theories on the internet. So what George said seemed to make sense. But those crazy conspiracy theories had nothing to do with the validity of the governments own conspiracy theory.

There are people far smarter then any of us who have written many books about this. People with PhD's, Nobel Laureates, National Academy of Sciences medals. Professor Emeriti and so on. Very accomplished people. Read their books. Watch their lectures. It makes sense. The governments theory, when studied objectively does not. But you have to do a little studying first. Then you say to yourself, how could I have overlooked these things?

I'll try to post a little of the voluminous evidence below. Too late right now. Did you look at the two websites I posted? These are just two of the good ones. Most of them are sites to make the so called truthers look ridiculous like that Qnon thing you put up. But look at these two sites. AE9/11truth and 9/11research.org.

[iona1970]

Wreck son what do you with the other hr in your day when not writing this crazy shit.
You know this is a message board about basketball? Do u write these on the st chicken board also?

[gregcrow]

Black Helicopters (BH) are not just helicopters with a black paint-job as you may have been told. They are, in fact, autonomous agents -- lifeforms -- created by New World Order (NWO) agencies via nanobiotechnology. Their primary purpose is to spy on the activities of average citizens in order to gather tactical information and discover "subversives" who are not bowing to the will of the Liberati's UN-backed Federal Government. Furthermore, when the NWO Invasion takes place in the not-too-distant future, they will round up citizens for internment in concentration camps or carry out the elimination of the more vocally anti-Liberati.
I'm with Reckson. You skeptics (05, Bill, 70 etc.) have any proof that I am wrong?

[Deleted]

No Greg you're sarcasm completely misses the logic. YOU would need to show that YOU are RIGHT, not that other people can't prove you wrong (when posting absurd theories like this one and when you accuse someone.) You see? Right? When posting an absurd conspiracy theory you need to show why YOU think it. You don't say, you can't prove that I am wrong therefore you have to believe me. That would be like the defendant needing to prove his innocence. If you want to kill 1 million innocents then it is YOU that have to prove your theory not the people that are getting bombed.

When I say you're post is ridiculous I don't need to prove it. I just say you've provided no proof of the existence of you're liberati or whatever. But I HAVE provided an abundance of arguments (even though logically I don't need to) for why I think the Governments 9/11 conspiracy theory is stupid. It is the conspiracy theorists RESPONSIBILITY to support their theory in order to perpetrate their war. You see? You've sort of got it backwards there. What's your point? Explain your logic. You have to show proof you are right since you are the accuser. Isn't that right?

Show the signed boarding passes. They refuse. Show the flight manifests. They refuse. They can't show the videos of the accused moving through the airports because you suspect it might have something to do with counter-intelligence. It is the war mongers job to show their case for going to war.

I tell you why I think the government's story does not make sense. I tell you why I think it looks like a cover up. But the people who are the ones who need to prove their case are refusing to do so. 80% of the country just believes what they want. Just like most people don't know (because children are lied to in school) that the U.S. opened the military hostilities in the war in the Pacific in WWII. It did NOT start with Pearl Harbor. But you can just not care and believe what you want. This is wrong!

P.S. No more ad hominems. Logic and evidence only.

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Apr 3, 2019 7:19:57 GMT -5 iona1970 said:

Wreck son what do you with the other hr in your day when not writing this crazy shit.
You know this is a message board about basketball? Do u write these on the st chicken board also?

Umm. . . . this is not the basketball board in case you haven't noticed.  It is the off topic board, meaning non basketball.  See?

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I don't understand why this point doesn't seem to be taking here. Let me give you an example. Lets say someone is accusing you of robbing a bank with a few of your friends.(a conspiracy). But you never even entered the bank. Now these accusers are the conspiracy theorists; not you the accused. They need to prove THEIR case, you can't prove the negative that you weren't there unless they show the videos which all banks, like airports, have. Now what if they say "don't worry we have them so just believe us". How about all the written evidence? It's up to the accuser. The accused could show their innocence (even though it is not their responsibility to show proof of anything) if they would just show the video.