It's not about me, nor is it about you. Any of you have kids under 12? It's about them.
The current data, and the data is changing with the variants; is that we can be fully vaccinated and therefore safe (90% plus). You can be fully vaccinated and likewise safe. Even though vaccinated, we can be spreading the virus to each other with minimal risk.
But we can be spreading serious, deadly shit to those who are not vaccinated - kids under 12, medically compromised, and the effing idiots. The last group of this trio has a choice - get vaccinated; the first two do not have that choice at this time. I don't want to spread it to anyone in either group, even the effing idiot. I don't want to see anyone die because they refuse to take simple, proven preventive measures.
I would like you Dads to take your young kids to Iona games, and not worry about some clown in the next seat. So, it's not my way or the highway. You have a choice, including the option for the highway.
Sayonara!
The above collection of random thoughts is what someone passes off as logic in todays world. In paragraph 1 he states the whole reason for getting the vaccine is the kids under 12. "It's about them" "Not about me, nor is it about you" In paragraph 2 he clearly states those that are vaccinated can contract the virus, and spread the virus, but no worries you are "likewise safe", if you are vaccinated. In paragraph 3 he states "we(presumably the vaccinated) can spread deadly shit to those who are not vaccinated- KIDS UNDER 12" ?? According to the author, the whole reason for getting the shot! In the 4th paragraph he talks about young kids going to a basketball game and worrying about some "clown" in the next seat. Unfortunately by his own admission and by incoming data that "clown" may spread covid to the vaccinated or unvaccinated regardless of his vaccination status.
Now the truth, As a general rule, as viruses mutate, they become more contagious and less deadly. The original strain of covid 19 had nearly no affect on children. I would welcome any data on covid deaths of children under the age of 12. Newest data has an uptick in symptoms in children with the delta variant, but again i have not heard of any deaths. If someone has that data , would love to hear it. Newest research has found that when covid positive, An unvaccinated and vaccinated patient are equally contagious, but the unvaccinated patient has a longer contagious period, by about 4 days. The thing that i look for when a person speaks about covid vaccines, or any topic in general, look at how they refer to others they disagree with "Effing idiots" "clown" SMH, Personally i believe anyone who is obese, compromised immune system, someone living in a nursing home, over the age of 65 should get the vaccine. The whole risk/reward is in their favor, and the reason for that is it may prevent a tragedy. Healthy adults and young adults have a decision to make. For some the choice is easy, others may have doubts. A full FDA approval is not out yet, but may change a lot of minds when it comes out. The technology that big pharm has used to create the vaccine is amazing IF it works safely and has no side effects. This vaccine no longer uses actual weakened or dead virus to trigger your immune system, it actually uses mRNA to enter your cells and create a response. Clearly this discussion does not belong on the Basketball board, but GO GAELS!
The only real "choice" healthy and young adults have is whether they care about others.
When all else fails, go to the moral argument.
Nothing's failed. Overwhelming data says even kids should be getting it now.
And you've been a dick since joining the board so I'm removing you. If anyone doesn't like it, don't let the door hit you in the ass, I don't get paid to babysit here.
The greatest poster in the history of the MAAC as determined by THREE separate polls.
Nothing's failed. Overwhelming data says even kids should be getting it now.
And you've been a dick since joining the board so I'm removing you. If anyone doesn't like it, don't let the door hit you in the ass, I don't get paid to babysit here.
Cmon that aint right, this is the non basketball thread, where convos like this belong
It's not about me, nor is it about you. Any of you have kids under 12? It's about them.
The current data, and the data is changing with the variants; is that we can be fully vaccinated and therefore safe (90% plus). You can be fully vaccinated and likewise safe. Even though vaccinated, we can be spreading the virus to each other with minimal risk.
But we can be spreading serious, deadly shit to those who are not vaccinated - kids under 12, medically compromised, and the effing idiots. The last group of this trio has a choice - get vaccinated; the first two do not have that choice at this time. I don't want to spread it to anyone in either group, even the effing idiot. I don't want to see anyone die because they refuse to take simple, proven preventive measures.
I would like you Dads to take your young kids to Iona games, and not worry about some clown in the next seat. So, it's not my way or the highway. You have a choice, including the option for the highway.
Sayonara!
The above collection of random thoughts is what someone passes off as logic in todays world. In paragraph 1 he states the whole reason for getting the vaccine is the kids under 12. "It's about them" "Not about me, nor is it about you" In paragraph 2 he clearly states those that are vaccinated can contract the virus, and spread the virus, but no worries you are "likewise safe", if you are vaccinated. In paragraph 3 he states "we(presumably the vaccinated) can spread deadly shit to those who are not vaccinated- KIDS UNDER 12" ?? According to the author, the whole reason for getting the shot! In the 4th paragraph he talks about young kids going to a basketball game and worrying about some "clown" in the next seat. Unfortunately by his own admission and by incoming data that "clown" may spread covid to the vaccinated or unvaccinated regardless of his vaccination status.
Now the truth, As a general rule, as viruses mutate, they become more contagious and less deadly. The original strain of covid 19 had nearly no affect on children. I would welcome any data on covid deaths of children under the age of 12. Newest data has an uptick in symptoms in children with the delta variant, but again i have not heard of any deaths. If someone has that data , would love to hear it. Newest research has found that when covid positive, An unvaccinated and vaccinated patient are equally contagious, but the unvaccinated patient has a longer contagious period, by about 4 days. The thing that i look for when a person speaks about covid vaccines, or any topic in general, look at how they refer to others they disagree with "Effing idiots" "clown" SMH, Personally i believe anyone who is obese, compromised immune system, someone living in a nursing home, over the age of 65 should get the vaccine. The whole risk/reward is in their favor, and the reason for that is it may prevent a tragedy. Healthy adults and young adults have a decision to make. For some the choice is easy, others may have doubts. A full FDA approval is not out yet, but may change a lot of minds when it comes out. The technology that big pharm has used to create the vaccine is amazing IF it works safely and has no side effects. This vaccine no longer uses actual weakened or dead virus to trigger your immune system, it actually uses mRNA to enter your cells and create a response. Clearly this discussion does not belong on the Basketball board, but GO GAELS!
The RNA research that is the basis for the vaccines has been conducted for years. These vaccines are thoroughly vetted.
Last Edit: Aug 10, 2021 17:50:50 GMT -5 by hawaii bill
It's not about me, nor is it about you. Any of you have kids under 12? It's about them.
The current data, and the data is changing with the variants; is that we can be fully vaccinated and therefore safe (90% plus). You can be fully vaccinated and likewise safe. Even though vaccinated, we can be spreading the virus to each other with minimal risk.
But we can be spreading serious, deadly shit to those who are not vaccinated - kids under 12, medically compromised, and the effing idiots. The last group of this trio has a choice - get vaccinated; the first two do not have that choice at this time. I don't want to spread it to anyone in either group, even the effing idiot. I don't want to see anyone die because they refuse to take simple, proven preventive measures.
I would like you Dads to take your young kids to Iona games, and not worry about some clown in the next seat. So, it's not my way or the highway. You have a choice, including the option for the highway.
Sayonara!
The above collection of random thoughts is what someone passes off as logic in todays world. In paragraph 1 he states the whole reason for getting the vaccine is the kids under 12. "It's about them" "Not about me, nor is it about you" In paragraph 2 he clearly states those that are vaccinated can contract the virus, and spread the virus, but no worries you are "likewise safe", if you are vaccinated. In paragraph 3 he states "we(presumably the vaccinated) can spread deadly shit to those who are not vaccinated- KIDS UNDER 12" ?? According to the author, the whole reason for getting the shot! In the 4th paragraph he talks about young kids going to a basketball game and worrying about some "clown" in the next seat. Unfortunately by his own admission and by incoming data that "clown" may spread covid to the vaccinated or unvaccinated regardless of his vaccination status.
Now the truth, As a general rule, as viruses mutate, they become more contagious and less deadly. The original strain of covid 19 had nearly no affect on children. I would welcome any data on covid deaths of children under the age of 12. Newest data has an uptick in symptoms in children with the delta variant, but again i have not heard of any deaths. If someone has that data , would love to hear it. Newest research has found that when covid positive, An unvaccinated and vaccinated patient are equally contagious, but the unvaccinated patient has a longer contagious period, by about 4 days. The thing that i look for when a person speaks about covid vaccines, or any topic in general, look at how they refer to others they disagree with "Effing idiots" "clown" SMH, Personally i believe anyone who is obese, compromised immune system, someone living in a nursing home, over the age of 65 should get the vaccine. The whole risk/reward is in their favor, and the reason for that is it may prevent a tragedy. Healthy adults and young adults have a decision to make. For some the choice is easy, others may have doubts. A full FDA approval is not out yet, but may change a lot of minds when it comes out. The technology that big pharm has used to create the vaccine is amazing IF it works safely and has no side effects. This vaccine no longer uses actual weakened or dead virus to trigger your immune system, it actually uses mRNA to enter your cells and create a response. Clearly this discussion does not belong on the Basketball board, but GO GAELS!
The RNA research that is the basis for the vaccines has been conducted for years. These vaccines are thoroughly vetted.
Thanks, when was this technology first used on humans?
You are not looking to be convinced about the vaccines; you seek to have your fear and ignorance validated. You want current information about Covid infection and hospitalization rates for different age groups, go to the CDC website and that of your state health department. You want misinformation? Watch Tucker Carlson and the rest of the talking heads on Fox, Newsmax, One America, Infowars, you name the propaganda outlet of your choice.
The vaccines are safe and the data demonstrates that. Covid has mutated into a more easily transmissible form and the data shows that. More than 95% of those currently hospitalized with Covid are not vaccinated, again as the data shows. More children are being hospitalized with Covid; the data shows this.
I wish this were as simple as a Darwinian process of natural selection, where the ignorant regrettably fail to protect themselves and suffer the consequences. But in this situation vaccine ignorance endangers us all, by the unvaccinated providing themselves as hosts for viral mutations that will sicken and possibly kill innocent people. It will also prolong the negative economic impacts of Covid.
You are not looking to be convinced about the vaccines; you seek to have your fear and ignorance validated. You want current information about Covid infection and hospitalization rates for different age groups, go to the CDC website and that of your state health department. You want misinformation? Watch Tucker Carlson and the rest of the talking heads on Fox, Newsmax, One America, Infowars, you name the propaganda outlet of your choice.
The vaccines are safe and the data demonstrates that. Covid has mutated into a more easily transmissible form and the data shows that. More than 95% of those currently hospitalized with Covid are not vaccinated, again as the data shows. More children are being hospitalized with Covid; the data shows this.
I wish this were as simple as a Darwinian process of natural selection, where the ignorant regrettably fail to protect themselves and suffer the consequences. But in this situation vaccine ignorance endangers us all, by the unvaccinated providing themselves as hosts for viral mutations that will sicken and possibly kill innocent people. It will also prolong the negative economic impacts of Covid.
Your analysis is completely wrong. You stated that “the vaccines are safe” Is the johnson and johnson vaccine safe? Is the AstraZeneca vaccine safe? “ i wish this were as simple as a Darwinian process as natural selection” You are wishing death on those who dont agree with you. That is vile and unfortunately no medication can cure that. I dont know what television show you learned that from, but it stems from fear, hatred for others, and ignorance. Viral mutations will happen no matter who is vaccinated. I am sure there are people out there that have chosen not to get the vaccine that hope that the vaccinated have horrible long term side affects. They are equally vile.
The RNA research that is the basis for the vaccines has been conducted for years. These vaccines are thoroughly vetted.
Thanks, when was this technology first used on humans?
"The vaccines were rushed to market"
Here you go. This is from the Chief Medical Officer of my company, which is a huge company in the healthcare space. Like most corporate leadership, he doesn't give a rats ass about republicans or democrats. He wants his workforce healthy so the company continues to function and make money on a high level. And no my company did not develop any of the vaccines.
"The mRNA technology behind two of the leading vaccines has been in development for decades. Thousands of scientists accelerated this work with the help of billions of dollars of investment. Clinical trials were rigorous, and safety and efficacy results far exceeded nearly everyone's expectations. With more than 3 billion vaccinations now administered, the real-world experience is nearly identical to what we saw in trials – an important validation for the vaccines."
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Post by hawaii bill on Aug 11, 2021 8:40:07 GMT -5
More from the Chief Medical Officer of my company:
"I am young and healthy – even if I get infected, I won't get sick."
Being young and healthy decreases the odds of severe illness, but it's no guarantee. Almost 100% of those hospitalized and dying of COVID these days (of all ages) are unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated are highly protected from getting sick. "Long COVID" (symptoms lasting more than 3 months) affect 10-20% of those infected, and can seriously impact quality of life. New MRI studies show distinct areas of long-term brain tissue loss after infection.
Thanks, when was this technology first used on humans?
"The vaccines were rushed to market"
Here you go. This is from the Chief Medical Officer of my company, which is a huge company in he healthcare space. Like most corporate leadership, he doesn't give a rats ass about republicans or democrats. He wants his workforce healthy so the company continues to function and make money on a high level. And no my company did not develop any of the vaccines.
"The mRNA technology behind two of the leading vaccines has been in development for decades. Thousands of scientists accelerated this work with the help of billions of dollars of investment. Clinical trials were rigorous, and safety and efficacy results far exceeded nearly everyone's expectations. With more than 3 billion vaccinations now administered, the real-world experience is nearly identical to what we saw in trials – an important validation for the vaccines."
All this may be true, but doesnt touch on the question that was posed. As far as the results, i think the data is still coming in. I eagerly await a stamp of approval from the FDA. I dont think anyone mentioned political parties. Were. They rushed to market? I dont know, i will accept your analysis that they were based upon your statement that thousands of scientists accelerated the work. I am not so concerned about how long the vaccine took to get, i am concerned about incomplete data. The Covid liability waiver is irregular , ask any medical malpractice attorney , concerning. As far as the Never used before RNA vaccine technology, it will be a tremendous medical breakthrough if all goes well.
You are not looking to be convinced about the vaccines; you seek to have your fear and ignorance validated. You want current information about Covid infection and hospitalization rates for different age groups, go to the CDC website and that of your state health department. You want misinformation? Watch Tucker Carlson and the rest of the talking heads on Fox, Newsmax, One America, Infowars, you name the propaganda outlet of your choice.
The vaccines are safe and the data demonstrates that. Covid has mutated into a more easily transmissible form and the data shows that. More than 95% of those currently hospitalized with Covid are not vaccinated, again as the data shows. More children are being hospitalized with Covid; the data shows this.
I wish this were as simple as a Darwinian process of natural selection, where the ignorant regrettably fail to protect themselves and suffer the consequences. But in this situation vaccine ignorance endangers us all, by the unvaccinated providing themselves as hosts for viral mutations that will sicken and possibly kill innocent people. It will also prolong the negative economic impacts of Covid.
Well stated! The idiot wants to continue to be an idiot. He won't take even the most basic step to protect himself, let alone others. Not only do these clowns refuse the vaccine, they refuse to wear a mask - all in the name of
Their motto: "Your body, my choice." No snakes in my house!
?? According to the author, the whole reason for getting the shot! 
?? According to the author, the whole reason for getting the shot! 
