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TBT 2019
Jul 27, 2019 12:32:38 GMT -5
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Post by GuyF on Jul 27, 2019 12:32:38 GMT -5
It's clear getting guys to commit is a challenge, so you need to expand the pool. That's all I'm saying. If you are up there Friday night, how can’t you play Saturday at noon? Right. Not sure what happened here. But yeah, need more than 6. Can get away with 8.
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TBT 2019
Jul 27, 2019 12:40:43 GMT -5
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Post by iona05 on Jul 27, 2019 12:40:43 GMT -5
I know I’ve been critical of TBT’s progress over the last few years, but how can anyone take this tournament seriously? Half the rosters are inaccurate or filled with players who never show up, the rules are gimmicky and video game like, and the endings usually involve anti-climactic walk offs on free throws or lay-ups.
It’s a nice distraction during the summer months, can’t argue that. And I suppose the attendance figures and revenues are climbing by 8 million percent annually so what do I know...but hard to take this thing seriously.
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TBT 2019
Jul 27, 2019 12:42:25 GMT -5
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Post by Joebird on Jul 27, 2019 12:42:25 GMT -5
I know I’ve been critical of TBT’s progress over the last few years, but how can anyone take this tournament seriously? Half the rosters are inaccurate or filled with players who never show up, the rules are gimmicky and video game like, and the endings usually involve anti-climactic walk offs on free throws or lay-ups. It’s a nice distraction during the summer months, can’t argue that. And I suppose the attendance figures and revenues are climbing by 8 million percent annually so what do I know...but hard to take this thing seriously. I like seeing alumni play together but the Elam ending is a joke! It’s not basketball!
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TBT 2019
Jul 27, 2019 12:44:51 GMT -5
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Post by dansimms on Jul 27, 2019 12:44:51 GMT -5
Amazing that Gaels dress only 6 today, with all the years of players to choose from. I would ban the Guys that didn’t show from future TBT tournaments. I don’t know what excuses they had, but it sure does tarnish my fondness for Guys who let their teammates down, if it was just out of foolish ego and pride. Today was winnable, if we had close to our publicized line-up.
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TBT 2019
Jul 27, 2019 12:58:56 GMT -5
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Post by iona05 on Jul 27, 2019 12:58:56 GMT -5
Amazing that Gaels dress only 6 today, with all the years of players to choose from. I would ban the Guys that didn’t show from future TBT tournaments. I don’t know what excuses they had, but it sure does tarnish my fondness for Guys who let their teammates down, if it was just out of foolish ego and pride. Today was winnable, if we had close to our publicized line-up. Can’t imagine there was any ill intent by the players. Must’ve been scheduling conflicts. But the tournament loses credibility when this amount of players are no shows on a regular basis. They should revisit the rules to address this somehow.
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Post by sharkey on Jul 27, 2019 13:05:49 GMT -5
Well Ken Kraetzer was up there covering the Iona team. If he doesn't report they didn't show up today because of scheduling conflicts, then you would have to assume they left because of the lack of PT. Either way, not sure how much of a difference they would have made anyway. Not having Washington and Carter is what killed them. Wasn't Rountree part of the team at one point? I agree combine teams, it's not like Gael Nation was only Iona guys.
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TBT 2019
Jul 27, 2019 13:10:10 GMT -5
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Post by ncgaelfan on Jul 27, 2019 13:10:10 GMT -5
Watched TBT game for first time and quality of play is high. Rules are real gimmicky, though, and it was a shame Gael Nation was so shorthanded.
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TBT 2019
Jul 27, 2019 13:16:47 GMT -5
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Post by iona05 on Jul 27, 2019 13:16:47 GMT -5
The tournament has an identity crisis. The alumni teams are clearly the best fan draws and the most entertaining to watch. I would also guess they draw the best TV ratings and the most media attention in the local markets.
However, the problem is that half the alumni teams have ringers from other schools and very loose affiliations with the actual programs represented on their jerseys. Jordan Crawford on Cuse? Kevar Edwards on Iona? Really?
I would just change the tournament to an alumni-only format with some type of requirements to ensure the players meet an “alumni qualification” standard and something that limits the chance they will be no-shows. Some sort of “March Madness in August” event would be a major upgrade, would attract much more support and interest, and would be seen as a more credible upgrade over the current format IMO.
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TBT 2019
Jul 27, 2019 13:22:18 GMT -5
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Post by GuyF on Jul 27, 2019 13:22:18 GMT -5
The tournament has an identity crisis. The alumni teams are clearly the best fan draws and the most entertaining to watch. I would also guess they draw the best TV ratings and the most media attention in the local markets. However, the problem is that half the alumni teams have ringers from other schools and very loose affiliations with the actual programs represented on their jerseys. Jordan Crawford on Cuse? Kevar Edwards on Iona? Really? I would just change the tournament to an alumni-only format with some type of requirements to ensure the players meet an “alumni qualification” standard and something that limits the chance they will be no-shows. Some sort of “March Madness in August” event would be a major upgrade, would attract much more support and interest, and would be seen as a more credible upgrade over the current format IMO. Not sure how tourney had identity crisis when its playing in full houses on ESPN2. Has flaws no doubt. Best team is not an alumni team either.
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TBT 2019
Jul 27, 2019 13:30:30 GMT -5
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Post by iona05 on Jul 27, 2019 13:30:30 GMT -5
The tournament has an identity crisis. The alumni teams are clearly the best fan draws and the most entertaining to watch. I would also guess they draw the best TV ratings and the most media attention in the local markets. However, the problem is that half the alumni teams have ringers from other schools and very loose affiliations with the actual programs represented on their jerseys. Jordan Crawford on Cuse? Kevar Edwards on Iona? Really? I would just change the tournament to an alumni-only format with some type of requirements to ensure the players meet an “alumni qualification” standard and something that limits the chance they will be no-shows. Some sort of “March Madness in August” event would be a major upgrade, would attract much more support and interest, and would be seen as a more credible upgrade over the current format IMO. Not sure how tourney had identity crisis when its playing in full houses on ESPN2. Has flaws no doubt. Best team is not an alumni team either. Tournament cares about making $$. Guarantee they would make more dough as a 64-team alumni event than the current set-up. You could grandfather in Overseas Elite as the only non-alumni team allowed entrance. Are these alumni teams or not? Is this real basketball or gimmick basketball? Are the players on the roster the actual ones who play in the game? Nobody knows. Hard to take this seriously IMO. They should just spin it off as a mini March Madness event with real college alum teams and affiliations. Guaranteed they would take over the entire month of August and capture a lot of interest and attention if they followed that model.
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Post by gregcrow on Jul 27, 2019 14:05:07 GMT -5
Starting to come around more to '05's way of thinking. In order to survive they have gone to these "Home Teams" in certain markets. They then do their best to set it up for them to at least play 3 games. This gives them decent crowds for the weekend. It also makes the tournament a bit of a fraud. Heavily weighted to the "Home Teams". Good for the tournament in the short term, but a killer long term. I'm done with the Elam ending. Love new ideas. Nice that they tried it. In the end the verdict is that it is a stupid way to decide basketball games. A better rule change to try that would achieve the same desired result (No constant fouls in the last three minutes of games), would be to give each team say 7 fouls in the 4th quarter. From the 8th on it's two shots and the ball. Not sure how great that would be, but it's closer to real basketball. went to all the games last weekend, and i Will say the quality of the basketball is very good. Especially considering the lack of practice time. Think there is place for a fun type of tournament like this, but they need to fix problems. Oh, and I don't care about the Alumni thing. The idea is always to win. Exclusive alumni thing is romantic, but unrealistic. Hey, I got to see some of my favorite Gaels play the last two days. Can't be all bad.
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TBT 2019
Jul 27, 2019 14:13:09 GMT -5
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Post by iona05 on Jul 27, 2019 14:13:09 GMT -5
The winner takes all format and the lack of travel accommodations is what drives the no show numbers up so high. I would address both of those by immediately by incentivizing the players each time their team wins and by at least giving them a stipend for travel costs. I like the alumni only “March Madness in August” model but understand why others wouldn’t.
If I were the tournament organizers I would try to raise $5MM...give away average of $75K per game for winning teams and then have extra $100-200K to take care of every team’s travel. Oh yeah, and kill the Elam Ending. I think this tournament would be a killer idea with that formula in mind.
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TBT 2019
Jul 27, 2019 14:37:28 GMT -5
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Post by sharkey on Jul 27, 2019 14:37:28 GMT -5
Can't see it ever being a 64 team alumni tournament. First of all I doubt they could ever get 64 teams. Can't even get teams like Gael Nation to field a team even adding non alumni. It would also eliminate players that never played D1 basketball. Can't dilute the talent level. It also wouldn't solve the home team issue. The teams from higher level programs would still get the home crowds. Honestly the tournament is what it is and supplies some pretty good hoops to watch for a few weeks. Enjoyed watching some of the former Gaels playing. We would probably all have a better feeling about the TBT if Washington and Carter showed up and Gael Nation would have won what was a winnable game if they played.
Met a couple buddies for wings and brews to watch the game. Consensus is a dislike of the Elam ending. The trailing team probably needs to be within 3-4 points to have a realistic chance to win when the Elam ending begins. Thought was, like Gael Nation was today, if you're down 10 points or so with 6 minutes to go, why not start fouling then to try to get it close by the Elam ending? The purpose of the Elam ending is to avoid all the free throws and fouling the last 4 minutes. Screw it, start fouling before then to try and get back in the game.
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TBT 2019
Jul 27, 2019 14:45:42 GMT -5
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Post by broguy99 on Jul 27, 2019 14:45:42 GMT -5
If i had to guess why some guys didnt show, its because they didnt want to pay their own way to get there maybe.. just my opinion.
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Post by IONA86 on Jul 27, 2019 15:19:50 GMT -5
I enjoy watching the alumni but if I am going to donate more money for hoops, it will be for the Arrigoni challenge... not the TBT team. If they want sponsorship to pay for their rooms and travel expenses they need to get out and try an get some sponsorships from companies.
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