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Post by iona1970 on Mar 30, 2020 14:47:42 GMT -5
The poll said what we should "strive" to be, not "expect" to be. There is a huge difference between the two. But a few posters are using the words interchangeably. Exactly, I believe Gonzaga is unrealistic and I keep seeing it in articles about Pitino. I think there is a chance at VCU type, which could be 3 of 5 bids but 1 or 2 wins and not a 15/16 but a shot
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Post by thehat on Mar 30, 2020 14:57:53 GMT -5
The term mid-major is tossed around wayyyy too loosely. VCU a mid-major? There are 350+ D1 teams and over 30 conferences. If they’re perennially top 40 and in a multi-bid top seven conference, then what about that is in the middle? Same goes for St. Mary’s. How about shooting for making that term entirely irrelevant as it should be? Yeah, VCU is a PUBLIC school, with like 15k students and taxpayer funding. Our goal, if anything, is to be one of the top 68 teams in division 1/ perennial top 50-100. That might be realistic. according to Wikipedia VCU has 31k students and an endowment over 2 Billion!
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Post by GuyF on Mar 30, 2020 15:01:08 GMT -5
The poll said what we should "strive" to be, not "expect" to be. There is a huge difference between the two. But a few posters are using the words interchangeably. Every mid-major should strive to be Gonzaga, but that is not realistic for 95% of them. There's striving, and there's what's realistic, based on a wide variety of factors.
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Post by thehat on Mar 30, 2020 15:03:38 GMT -5
If we are striving, I think we will win the national championship! Reality- Consistent 20 win team, contending for MAAC regular season and Tourney. Holy grail, getting a Ncaa win.
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Post by epatrick on Mar 30, 2020 15:12:18 GMT -5
The poll said what we should "strive" to be, not "expect" to be. There is a huge difference between the two. But a few posters are using the words interchangeably. Every mid-major should strive to be Gonzaga, but that is not realistic for 95% of them. There's striving, and there's what's realistic, based on a wide variety of factors. You are getting tangled in words. I don't think anyone on this board expects us to be Gonzaga. But if you don't strive high you will never reach your own potential. I personally don't know what Iona's realistic potential is. Jimmy V dared to dream and put Iona on the map.
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Post by GuyF on Mar 30, 2020 15:20:08 GMT -5
Every mid-major should strive to be Gonzaga, but that is not realistic for 95% of them. There's striving, and there's what's realistic, based on a wide variety of factors. You are getting tangled in words. I don't think anyone on this board expects us to be Gonzaga. But if you don't strive high you will never reach your own potential. I personally don't know what Iona's realistic potential is. Jimmy V dared to dream and put Iona on the map. Goals should still be realistic. Unattainable goals lead to frustration, disappointment and depression. Gonzaga is not realistic. Not even if everything went exactly right for the Iona program and Pitino stays 10 years.
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Post by ukscribe on Mar 30, 2020 15:25:36 GMT -5
Love this board so much!
But why compare to other teams and programs? You have a 5-7 year window with RP to do something special so just focus on the same plan with a few minor tweaks.
1. Win the MAAC and automatic bid (the selection committee will always choose Power 5 conference teams with worse records for at-large bids so there’s still only one path to NCAA Tournament).
2. Get some votes for Top 25 and get RPI up with better non-conference games and possible upset at a neutral site.
3. Here’s the big one: You have to get on the 8-10 line in the NCAA Tournament to get a winnable game. I know you see the occasional 12 beat a 4, but Iona is 1-14 in the Big Dance because of very low seeds. Get to the 8-10 line and it’s on!
4. Dream Season would be a Sweet 16! It’s very possible - I’ve watched it happen twice with Southern Illinois University - a mid-major in the MVC.
Fun conversation - but any talk about Gonzaga is wishful thinking. Again, I’m an outsider looking in so you have to get Iona in the national conversation with more prime time ESPN games and some good non-conference match-ups. IMO, schedule is very weak right now. As an example, just playing at Kentucky (or a neutral site) gets you on ESPN or the SEC Network and is huge for boosters, recruits and national exposure. Even if you lose, you win BIG!
Baby Steps...
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Post by iona1970 on Mar 30, 2020 15:28:36 GMT -5
You are getting tangled in words. I don't think anyone on this board expects us to be Gonzaga. But if you don't strive high you will never reach your own potential. I personally don't know what Iona's realistic potential is. Jimmy V dared to dream and put Iona on the map. Goals should still be realistic. Unattainable goals lead to frustration, disappointment and depression. Gonzaga is not realistic. Not even if everything went exactly right for the Iona program and Pitino stays 10 years. Exactly but we could be a top 50 most of those 10 yrs Pitino has success and maybe a NCAA win or two, but to say we can't be better than now isn't true. Pitino gives us opportunities we never had or probably will have again. Just the scheduling alone moves our rankings up imagine if we win a ooc game or two
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Post by epatrick on Mar 30, 2020 15:29:26 GMT -5
You are getting tangled in words. I don't think anyone on this board expects us to be Gonzaga. But if you don't strive high you will never reach your own potential. I personally don't know what Iona's realistic potential is. Jimmy V dared to dream and put Iona on the map. Goals should still be realistic. Unattainable goals lead to frustration, disappointment and depression. Gonzaga is not realistic. Not even if everything went exactly right for the Iona program and Pitino stays 10 years. If someone is on a diet, I agree that goals should be realistic otherwise you can get frustrated. Would a good coach tell his team: "I know we can't them, realistically we should be able to stay within 30 points."?
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Post by iona1970 on Mar 30, 2020 15:30:25 GMT -5
Love this board so much! But why compare to other teams and programs? You have a 5-7 year window with RP to do something special so just focus on the same plan with a few minor tweaks. 1. Win the MAAC and automatic bid (the selection committee will always choose Power 5 conference teams with worse records for at-large bids so there’s still only one path to NCAA Tournament). 2. Get some votes for Top 25 and get RPI up with better non-conference games and possible upset at a neutral site. 3. Here’s the big one: You have to get on the 8-10 line in the NCAA Tournament to get a winnable game. I know you see the occasional 12 beat a 6, but Iona is 1-14 in the Big Dance because of very low seeds. Get to the 8-10 line and it’s on! 4. Dream Season would be a Sweet 16! It’s very possible - I’ve watched it happen twice with Southern Illinois University - a mid-major in the MVC. Fun conversation - but any talk about Gonzaga is wishful thinking. Again, I’m an outsider looking in so you have to get Iona in the national conversation with more prime time ESPN games and some good non-conference match-ups. IMO, schedule is very weak right now. As an example, just playing at Kentucky (or a neutral site) gets you on ESPN or the SEC Network and is huge for boosters, recruits and national exposure. Even if you lose, you win BIG! Baby Steps... Don't get us into the argument of tv games, espn3 is just as good lol
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Post by GuyF on Mar 30, 2020 15:32:19 GMT -5
Goals should still be realistic. Unattainable goals lead to frustration, disappointment and depression. Gonzaga is not realistic. Not even if everything went exactly right for the Iona program and Pitino stays 10 years. Exactly but we could be a top 50 most of those 10 yrs Pitino has success and maybe a NCAA win or two, but to say we can't be better than now isn't true. Pitino gives us opportunities we never had or probably will have again. Just the scheduling alone moves our rankings up imagine if we win a ooc game or two Yes, but the largest variable in this is Pitino, and the bottom line is we don't know how long we have him for. A year? Three? Five? Ten? It is IMPOSSIBLE to set REALISTIC goals when the timetable is quite frankly a moving target. Why do we even have to have this conversation? Right now despite the roster and the coach I am not even certain we're better than Siena. Maybe we should win the MAAC before we talk about conquering the world.
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Post by GuyF on Mar 30, 2020 15:33:00 GMT -5
Goals should still be realistic. Unattainable goals lead to frustration, disappointment and depression. Gonzaga is not realistic. Not even if everything went exactly right for the Iona program and Pitino stays 10 years. If someone is on a diet, I agree that goals should be realistic otherwise you can get frustrated. Would a good coach tell his team: "I know we can't them, realistically we should be able to stay within 30 points."? Apple, oranges and mangoes thrown in for good measure.
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Post by java on Mar 30, 2020 15:39:22 GMT -5
Love this board so much! But why compare to other teams and programs? You have a 5-7 year window with RP to do something special so just focus on the same plan with a few minor tweaks. 1. Win the MAAC and automatic bid (the selection committee will always choose Power 5 conference teams with worse records for at-large bids so there’s still only one path to NCAA Tournament). 2. Get some votes for Top 25 and get RPI up with better non-conference games and possible upset at a neutral site. 3. Here’s the big one: You have to get on the 8-10 line in the NCAA Tournament to get a winnable game. I know you see the occasional 12 beat a 4, but Iona is 1-14 in the Big Dance because of very low seeds. Get to the 8-10 line and it’s on! 4. Dream Season would be a Sweet 16! It’s very possible - I’ve watched it happen twice with Southern Illinois University - a mid-major in the MVC. Fun conversation - but any talk about Gonzaga is wishful thinking. Again, I’m an outsider looking in so you have to get Iona in the national conversation with more prime time ESPN games and some good non-conference match-ups. IMO, schedule is very weak right now. As an example, just playing at Kentucky (or a neutral site) gets you on ESPN or the SEC Network and is huge for boosters, recruits and national exposure. Even if you lose, you win BIG! Baby Steps... Good points ukskribe. Only disagree about the 8/9. I going as a 12 there is a reasonable chance to win. We nearly beat Cuse in 98 and Manhattan took care of FLA as a 12.
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Post by java on Mar 30, 2020 15:40:52 GMT -5
Exactly but we could be a top 50 most of those 10 yrs Pitino has success and maybe a NCAA win or two, but to say we can't be better than now isn't true. Pitino gives us opportunities we never had or probably will have again. Just the scheduling alone moves our rankings up imagine if we win a ooc game or two Yes, but the largest variable in this is Pitino, and the bottom line is we don't know how long we have him for. A year? Three? Five? Ten? It is IMPOSSIBLE to set REALISTIC goals when the timetable is quite frankly a moving target. Why do we even have to have this conversation? Right now despite the roster and the coach I am not even certain we're better than Siena. Maybe we should win the MAAC before we talk about conquering the world. Coronavirus boredom thread. Everyone is sick of the ground hog day BS, staring at CNN, etc
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Post by gregcrow on Mar 30, 2020 15:44:06 GMT -5
You are getting tangled in words. I don't think anyone on this board expects us to be Gonzaga. But if you don't strive high you will never reach your own potential. I personally don't know what Iona's realistic potential is. Jimmy V dared to dream and put Iona on the map. Goals should still be realistic. Unattainable goals lead to frustration, disappointment and depression. Gonzaga is not realistic. Not even if everything went exactly right for the Iona program and Pitino stays 10 years. I'm already depressed, so Gonzaga it is!
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