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Post by ic59 on Jan 22, 2014 10:04:00 GMT -5
We all know that we are not a good rebounding team, and one of the reasons for that is that DL is playing with four guards/small forwards. But another reason MIGHT be that the team is not strong enough. I'm not blaming our Strength and Conditioning Coach, don't even know who he is, but raising the possibility that anyone who wants to get into that profession, Strength Coach, would go to a football school, since there is an obvious emphasis on strength at a FB school. Does this concern have any validity?
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Post by husker76 on Jan 22, 2014 10:44:02 GMT -5
I feel we are an ineffective rebounding team for several reasons. One is use of zone defense which makes hard to put a body on the offensive players with spacing and distance. Two is few players know how to box out and track ball. Three is few players with the determination to rebound. I always felt that rebounding is the hardest skill to teach, as the player really has to have the desire. Some players just know how to get position and leverage with their lower body to get rebounds. Tried to teach just keeping the ball alive if you did not or could not get two hands on the ball. I do not see Iona significantly improving rebounding unless we play strictly man defenses.
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Post by chelseadal on Jan 22, 2014 10:59:28 GMT -5
I feel we are an ineffective rebounding team for several reasons. One is use of zone defense which makes hard to put a body on the offensive players with spacing and distance. Two is few players know how to box out and track ball. Three is few players with the determination to rebound. I always felt that rebounding is the hardest skill to teach, as the player really has to have the desire. Some players just know how to get position and leverage with their lower body to get rebounds. Tried to teach just keeping the ball alive if you did not or could not get two hands on the ball. I do not see Iona significantly improving rebounding unless we play strictly man defenses. Four is height and strength. Or maybe one is height and strength. |
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Post by oldtimer on Jan 22, 2014 11:12:10 GMT -5
IC59...........Your post has re-enforced a concern that I have had that although we are a athletic team, that in some ways lacks muscle and push around strength...On loose balls and up for grab rebounds, we seem to come out second best...Also we are very weak on take aways, interceptions and steals...One reason we are in the top group of points allowed is that the opposition mostly comes away with a scoring effort, usually without much disruption...In some ways it appears that we can't wait until they shoot so as we can rush into a offensive mood...
I realize that this is the type of team we are, and it has served us well and brought us much attention, but a modicum of defense would hopefully bring us to another level......
While I type this, I look outside and see my 2 big son-in-laws clearing the snow around my home...
They and others around me have made the advance of age quite tolerable......Thanks to all..
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Post by GuyF on Jan 22, 2014 11:12:24 GMT -5
Rebounding is about desire.
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Post by husker76 on Jan 22, 2014 11:14:46 GMT -5
Height helps, but look at Dennis Rodman, Charles Barkley and Wes Unseld. They knew how to get and hold position on the player they were boxing out. Strength overrated for rebounding. Lower body leverage, using your butt and hip is key. Watch Kevin Love and other effective rebounders vs watching the ball on a shot. They have an ability to get position without having to sky over people.
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Post by chelseadal on Jan 22, 2014 11:19:34 GMT -5
Height helps, but look at Dennis Rodman, Charles Barkley and Wes Unseld. They knew how to get and hold position on the player they were boxing out. Strength overrated for rebounding. Lower body leverage, using your butt and hip is key. Watch Kevin Love and other effective rebounders vs watching the ball on a shot. They have an ability to get position without having to sky over people. Rodman, and especially Barkley and Unseld were unbelievably strong. Rebounding is about desire, BUT height and strength are also critical. |
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Post by hawaii bill on Jan 22, 2014 11:23:58 GMT -5
When I watch the games I think we compete for rebounds. We may be out of position or whatever but I see effort generally. Sometimes it's excruciating watching them try to get control of the ball after a missed basket. We might have played good D and forced a bad shot then we have to fight for our lives to get the ball. Also got to remember half of our players' brains are focused on getting out quickly and attacking the other basket.
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Post by St. Louis Gael on Jan 22, 2014 11:43:08 GMT -5
We all know that we are not a good rebounding team, and one of the reasons for that is that DL is playing with four guards/small forwards. But another reason MIGHT be that the team is not strong enough. I'm not blaming our Strength and Conditioning Coach, don't even know who he is, but raising the possibility that anyone who wants to get into that profession, Strength Coach, would go to a football school, since there is an obvious emphasis on strength at a FB school. Does this concern have any validity? 59, you touch on something that has crossed my mind several times this season. www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOeBBASCy-QMany of us may remember how Jeff used to comment upon how many of his players could bench 400lbs - an exaggeration. However, I was expecting to see David a little more chisseled this year and maybe lighter than his listed 255lbs. I couch that with a much more physical David against Sienna and with the 3/4 Court bullet passes he was throwing at people. The have certainly worked wonders on Sean since his freshman year. I wonder if we work more on speed and agility (with which I agree) than on strength. While I am throwing out stuff that has been on my mind for while, 59 is your age - right?? |
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Post by ic59 on Jan 22, 2014 12:16:47 GMT -5
And the answer is.................?
1. Better coaching.
2. Desire.
3. Strength
4. I'm ruling out height, since it was correctly pointed out that some of the NBA's best rebounders weren't that tall.
Is there any way the top three options (see above) could be put into a poll?
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Post by ic59 on Jan 22, 2014 12:19:57 GMT -5
Is 59 my age? No way, it's my IQ. And yes that does make me the smartest poster on this Board.
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Post by husker76 on Jan 22, 2014 12:42:00 GMT -5
DESIRE/DETERMINATION gets my vote as single biggest factor in rebounding.
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Post by iona05 on Jan 22, 2014 12:50:55 GMT -5
I think coaching is #1 important factor when it comes to rebounding. Go back to the Ruland days and one thing we never had to worry about was having a presence on the glass...and keep in mind that we weren't much bigger than our team is today. It was a reflection of the coaching staff's focus and priorities. Now, anything we lack in rebounding with today's squad we make up for in scoring. It's just a matter of where the coaches' priorities are. As critical as rebounding might be, I would never trade today's teams for those teams that were strong on the glass but scoring and guard challenged.
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Post by chelseadal on Jan 22, 2014 13:04:58 GMT -5
And the answer is.................? 1. Better coaching. 2. Desire. 3. Strength 4. I'm ruling out height, since it was correctly pointed out that some of the NBA's best rebounders weren't that tall. Is there any way the top three options (see above) could be put into a poll? Yes the best rebounders, Chamberlin, Russell and Jabbar weren't that tall. Are you joking?  ? |
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Post by chelseadal on Jan 22, 2014 13:15:34 GMT -5
And the answer is.................? 1. Better coaching. 2. Desire. 3. Strength 4. I'm ruling out height, since it was correctly pointed out that some of the NBA's best rebounders weren't that tall. Is there any way the top three options (see above) could be put into a poll? Yes the best rebounders, Chamberlin, Russell and Jabbar weren't that tall. Are you joking? ? BTW, the above were the top three. Below is a list of the top 10. Unseld is 10th. They are tall. sportige.com/top-ten-nba-rebound-all-time/ IC59, you have been around longer than me, but I remember pretty far back and have seen all these guys play. To say height isn't a key factor and use a couple of examples really is a joke. |
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