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Post by husker76 on Jan 22, 2014 13:23:12 GMT -5
Chelseadal, I think everyone would agree that Chamberlain, Russell and Jabbar had tremendous desire to compete at that the level they did for the number of years they did. At the collegiate and pro level height does not automatically translate into rebounding numbers. Still need the desire to fight/scrap for rebounds. I will take heart over height any day on the court.
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Post by ic1983 on Jan 22, 2014 13:24:27 GMT -5
Let's start with a simple concept. Get a body on the bigger players we face. We don't do a good job boxing out.
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Post by sharkey on Jan 22, 2014 13:29:34 GMT -5
Agree with the height. That is why the development of Robinson is vital, maybe not for this year but no question for the next 3 years. Robinson was showing signs of playing with more confidence and playing more aggressive blocking a couple shots before he was injured. He is a pretty decent athlete and you cant teach 7'0''. He can be a real force in the MAAC down the road. As far as Hynes while his game is more on the perimeter he plays really hard and smart and he can also develop into a decent rebounder in the MAAC. With their development added to Laury and IW next year these rebounding concerns hopefully will be a thing of the past
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Post by husker76 on Jan 22, 2014 13:36:10 GMT -5
O.D. Amosite is 6'8" and lead the nation the last two years. Lots of other college players were taller, but I feel he wanted it more. He had a lot of pride about his rebounding. Height and desire unbeatable combination, but still give me the desire over height.
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Post by chelseadal on Jan 22, 2014 13:40:16 GMT -5
Chelseadal, I think everyone would agree that Chamberlain, Russell and Jabbar had tremendous desire to compete at that the level they did for the number of years they did. At the collegiate and pro level height does not automatically translate into rebounding numbers. Still need the desire to fight/scrap for rebounds. I will take heart over height any day on the court. You threw out Rodman, Barkley and Unseld. All valid. You only left out the top 9 ever who were all tall. Didn't mean to confuse the arguement with FACTS. Also 9 of the top 10 currect NCAA rebounders are 6'8 or taller. Only Azotam from Quinny is shorter at 6'7.
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Post by husker76 on Jan 22, 2014 13:41:54 GMT -5
Sharkey does bring up a valuable point in that with the talent we have if we can get them on the court at the same time we stand to improve our rebounding. Not sure if that will happen. Teaching team rebounding with everyone responsible for boxing/containing their man would help overall numbers. We can not expect only some of the players on the floor to take of business, everyone has to commit.
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Post by iona05 on Jan 22, 2014 13:42:48 GMT -5
Don't want to turn this into a height vs. heart thread, because we would all be complete idiots to think that height didn't have a big impact on our ability to rebound, but I found the following stats interesting. This year's team is currently 322nd nationally in rebounding, and the heights of our starting five are as follows: 6'4 (AJ), 6'5 (Armand), 6'6 (Bowman), 6'7 (IW) and 6'9 (DL3).
Compare this to the 99-00 and 00-01 teams, both of which finished in the Top 40 nationally in rebounding, and there isn't much of a difference in height. We're pretty much identical in height to the 99-00 team and slightly smaller than the 00-01 team. Think it's more about the focus of the coaching staff and the mold of the individual players.
99-00 (finished 35th in rebounding): 6'2 (Young), 6'5 (Wilson), 6'7 (Grant), 6'6 (Kirksay), 6'9 (Miller) 00-01 (finished 14th in rebounding): 6'1 (Johnson), 6'5 (Wilson), 6'7 (Fields), 6'9 (Miller), 6'9 (Jenkins)
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Post by husker76 on Jan 22, 2014 13:56:35 GMT -5
Who wants to approach the coaching staff about correcting the rebounding woes? It is a wonderful world that we can agree to disagree about the keys to rebounding. If the staff reads this thread they would get a chuckle. I have to remind myself that my opinions on basketball come from my limited experiences as a player and coach. Age and experience have taught me that there are endless ways to play and coach this game. Never thought that the 3 point shot would be such a dominant part of the game. I hated it at first and now I appreciate the excitement and sophistication it brings to the game. Let's keep the discussions going.
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Post by iona1970 on Jan 22, 2014 14:34:52 GMT -5
I think its desire, players attracted to our system are basically schoolyard players that like to run and score. If they played defense also they would probably play at a higher level, we have to hope it clicks for them that defense and rebounding can get them to another level.
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Post by ic59 on Jan 22, 2014 14:35:15 GMT -5
I never said that height wasn't important. I said I don't see it as ONE of THE TOP THREE reasons that we are not a good rebounding team. And while I don't know the answer, look at the top MAAC rebounders, and maybe it will show who the top guys are. And how tall.
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Post by Cjb on Jan 22, 2014 14:35:59 GMT -5
There is also an aspect of rebounding of knowing where the ball is coming off.
The kid (can't remember the name, but will know it when I hear it) we had from Brewster who transferred to Ohio U with Wally Szerbiak (sp?) had that talent. Not huge, but always in the right spot.
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Post by oldtimer on Jan 22, 2014 14:55:41 GMT -5
All good points as to rebounding.......But allow me this thought...
If we somehow we could have Ruland of the early 1980's team magically transported to todays Iona's team, and Laury back into time to center on the 1980 team, in my IMO the present team would win the majority of the time...Although the 80's was a good outside shooting team, again IMO the present team is better...Rebounding would be the deciding factor, and Ruland would with his strength and height rule the boards.....
In most of our many NCAA Tourney appearances we have lost to rebounding and height, and not to the general all around basketball ability...Almost every year we have a talented non-major team reach the final 16 or slightly better, but lack of a true big man ends the dream...
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Post by husker76 on Jan 22, 2014 14:59:04 GMT -5
CHB's question about tracking the shot and anticipating the rebound is a skill rarely taught, but should along with the rules of the game. Refer to courtvisionanalytics.com/where-do-rebounds-go/ for the analytical regarding rebounds. Our lack of offensive rebounds is typically due to 4 out of 5 players way outside of the paint. Their is a science to the game. Good reading.
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Post by husker76 on Jan 22, 2014 14:59:28 GMT -5
CHB's question about tracking the shot and anticipating the rebound is a skill rarely taught, but should along with the rules of the game. Refer to courtvisionanalytics.com/where-do-rebounds-go/ for the analytical regarding rebounds. Our lack of offensive rebounds is typically due to 4 out of 5 players way outside of the paint. Their is a science to the game. Good reading.
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Post by husker76 on Jan 22, 2014 15:00:49 GMT -5
Apologize for double post.
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