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Post by St. Louis Gael on Mar 24, 2014 10:33:35 GMT -5
I have been posting about how painful SLU basketball is to watch since Majerus signed up five years ago. You go to a basketball game and a wrestling match breaks out.
We complain about the Gaels and their suspect D - rightly at times. SLU can play D, but they have no offense. How can Jordair Jett be A10 player of the year? The guy could not even hit 50% of his FT's in the tournament. As stated here when we were coming down the stretch and SLU was being pimped as a 4 seed, my dream was to draw SLU as our opening game.
The BE and A-10 are way over-rated.
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Post by Curt Hennig on Mar 24, 2014 17:28:14 GMT -5
It's tough to judge a conference based on a one-and-done setting in which certain match ups in certain locations benefit certain teams. Both of those leagues were really good this year and deserved the bids they got. What would you want? An extra three or four teams from the underbelly of the BCS leagues? No thanks. We've seen it all before. I'll say this: I don't think the current Big East is any better than the current A10. A number of those Big East teams have been artificially propped up for years by the former and real Big East Conference. We'll see how they do over the next decade.
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Post by hawaii bill on Mar 24, 2014 18:25:06 GMT -5
I don't particularly want anything. I agree with your point that a short tournament is not really conclusive and that a long season is probably a better measure.
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Post by iona1970 on Mar 25, 2014 13:58:46 GMT -5
jakarr Sampson going to the draft, avg 12.8 and 6.1, chris ford ranks 138th in draft, and he is signing with an agent, must really want to leave st chicken--- see holes in the ship
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Post by epatrick on Mar 25, 2014 17:25:25 GMT -5
jakarr Sampson going to the draft, avg 12.8 and 6.1, chris ford ranks 138th in draft, and he is signing with an agent, must really want to leave st chicken--- see holes in the ship When you have a great tournament, you have to seize the opportunity.
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Post by iona1970 on Mar 25, 2014 17:31:33 GMT -5
epatrick, but why sign with an agent??
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Post by epatrick on Mar 25, 2014 18:06:51 GMT -5
epatrick, but why sign with an agent?? That was tongue in check.
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Post by iona1970 on Mar 25, 2014 20:53:21 GMT -5
epatrick, but why sign with an agent?? That was tongue in check. my bad epatrick
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 17:55:45 GMT -5
BE RPI ranking: No. 4 out of 32!!! (higher than the A-10) just sayin! I guess I'm going to have to stop watching College Hoops for another six years. I came back around 09-10. And then SJU hired Lav and I was completely back in just like the old days. And Lav almost made it. Dunlap getting hired by Jordan in Charlotte is what really did him in. That and Harkless's one and done. Also Sanchez being mistakenly declared ineligible by the NCAA. That's a sinking ship now and Lavin is finished in coaching. So no more College Hoops. How often does Iona play on TV? Not enough, because they are fun to watch. I hope Cluess can keep it going. By the way, whatever happened to Dwayne Daniels. Also, I've been meaning to ask you guys, who runs Iona College, The Christian Brothers? Or is it the Irish Christian Brothers?
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Post by Z-73 on Mar 27, 2014 18:32:37 GMT -5
When I went to Msgr. Farrell HS (same Order that runs Iona College)from 1965-1969 they were the Irish Christian Brothers. I believe that they are now called "Christian Brothers (Eastern Province)" and have been for about 40 years.
Go Gaels!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 18:33:12 GMT -5
The people on this board, especially ctbill, are savvy enough to know that such a small sample can't be used, in and of itself, as an indicator of how good a conference is. Let's not try and gloat here. Try to suppress the scheudenfreud. There were a lot of good teams from the BE that just missed. The teams from the A-10 that missed, missed by a lot. But even still the Big East got 40% of their teams in (4 out of 10). The A-10 got 6 out of 13 for 46%. But their teams that didn't make it missed by much more. The fact is that on average the Big East was better.
You guys may or may not know that the BE is now on Fox instead of ESPN. ESPN has been making a concerted effort to make everyone think that the Big East is dead to protect their "market share". It started when they were broadcasting last year's Big East tournament. These are business whores here, not journalists. This is especially true of Mr. ACC, Jay Bilas. The only one who refuses to do it is Dick Vitale. ( I dislike his work in general, so you know I'm being objective). Apparently, though, it seems to be convincing the general public. (Even though the people on this board are smart enough to know better). After all they are the "World Wide Sports Leader" and they have tremendous market power. Our media shapes our public opinion. This is true in politics in both foreign and domestic affairs, and in all spheres. But try to keep this in mind when listening to Jay Bilas and also the people on CBS. Charles Barkley especially. And Rothstein. He's a smart guy so he can pick and choose to only say the bad things about the conference and never the good things. Hopefully most people will see this.
It's true that the BE could poach any A-10 school it wanted, and it probably will. But it's also true the ACC could take any Big East team it wanted. But it probably won't. But Tau, even if they do, that team won't be Gtown or Nova: it will be STJ. Why do I say this now? Because they just realized that they needed to have their tourney in New York. (They are so stupid. They could have been in the Garden, but they wouldn't guarantee a long term deal). So now they are moving to Barclays in 2017, for a long term deal. To spice that up and take attention from the BE they would poach STJ. It gives them New York. But, having said this, they probably would not take a non football school. So they are most likely done poaching from the Big East.
Also, about Marquette, they have a history of hiring great coaches. For example, Rick Majerus, Tom Crean, and Buzz Williams. After Crean left for Indy, they said Quette was in trouble, but they weren't, because they hired Williams. So the Big East will continue to be a great league. No doubt, ESPN will use their power to prevent them rising back to preeminence. But they will always be a great conference. This presumes the college athletes union doesn't overhaul, completely, the landscape of college athletics.
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Post by oldtimer on Mar 28, 2014 19:33:42 GMT -5
Just read where the NCAA is valued at 10 1/2 billion...That is a enormous amount of money that generates power and internal incomes... It has been accumulated mostly through the efforts of what are essentially low rewarded ''Field Workers'' The enigma must be resolved in a fair manner that somehow allow us to keep the tradition of College sports and not destroy something that is uniquely American......
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Post by ic59 on Mar 28, 2014 21:04:19 GMT -5
reksonn, you were doing pretty well until your last paragraph, when you described the BE as a great league. If you could change that to a good or even very good, I'd agree with you.
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Post by hawaii bill on Mar 28, 2014 21:09:24 GMT -5
Yes I agree that ESPN will try to shut out the BE. They play rough. One reason why I'm glad the MAAC is on ESPN platforms. Sportscenter is huge.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 18:11:55 GMT -5
Good, very good, great: This is semantics. Lets make it quantitative: RPI 4 out of 32. Higher than Jay Bilas' ACC. The Big East has had several years in the past that were worse and they always rebounded. The rest of the country showed their resentment of the Northeast having good college athletics so they came up with that stupid Big Least name (so old). It's as if, to them, people from the northeast aren't "true" Americans. They're "city slickers" or something.
Did anyone see ESPN's 30 for 30 entitled "Requiem for the Big East"? A lot of people don't realize that a requiem is a ceremony for the dead. But someone at ESPN must know it. It would have been really good, though, except for certain aspects. Like the background piano soundtrack. Like it was really sad that the Big East is dead. They also neglected to mention that ESPN was a major player in conference realignment, and they made it look like it was the conference's own greed that caused it's supposed demise. But even still, I had to say, I mostly enjoyed it. And the 30 minute BE extras (extra footage) immediately after on ESPNU was mostly STJ stuff and was awesome. So it wasn't all nonsense and usually those 30 for 30 things are excellent.
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