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Post by Joebird on Nov 30, 2014 19:10:19 GMT -5
Careful what you wish for. Severe overreaction to lack of bench use tonight. We had no choice, and this is not the type of game you want Hines or Dublin playing in. We will get production out of them in MAAC games. In SEC road games it would be ugly if you're relying on a 6'4 transfer power forward and a lanky role player to get the job done. Better to roll the dice with tired legs of big talent than with fresh legs of unreliable backups in games of this magnitude. Although I agree with others that we wore down because of fatigue, Iona05 is correct, outside of our top 6 there is too big of a drop off, the rest of our guys can't hang with the Razorbacks and it was noticeable for the few second they were in there, that is why Cluess didn't use his bench and that is why Beischeid may be a huge help against better teams.
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Post by iona05 on Nov 30, 2014 19:11:45 GMT -5
Weren't we playing a 6'4 PF (Kelvin)? Amayo was playing wing primarily and presented a mismatch tonight even against better competition. Totally different beast from Dublin.
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Post by iona05 on Nov 30, 2014 19:20:52 GMT -5
Reality is we had a 20 percent chance of winning at best, and our only shot was if we got the exact production from AJ, DL3 and Amayo, plus big contributions from IW and Ced and some bounces going our way or an off night from the Hogs. The former happened, the ladder didn't, and we lost. Hines and Dublin weren't the solution in a game like this. Top contributions from our entire starting five was.
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Post by java on Nov 30, 2014 19:23:27 GMT -5
Careful what you wish for. Severe overreaction to lack of bench use tonight. We had no choice, and this is not the type of game you want Hines or Dublin playing in. We will get production out of them in MAAC games. In SEC road games it would be ugly if you're relying on a 6'4 transfer power forward and a lanky role player to get the job done. Better to roll the dice with tired legs of big talent than with fresh legs of unreliable backups in games of this magnitude. Although I agree with others that we wore down because of fatigue, Iona05 is correct, outside of our top 6 there is too big of a drop off, the rest of our guys can't hang with the Razorbacks and it was noticeable for the few second they were in there, that is why Cluess didn't use his bench and that is why Beischeid may be a huge help against better teams. I dunno joebird This can be argued forever, but my belief is that 4 bench players need to each be able to come in and give us 4 minutes of quality playing time. It's hard to see what Hines and Ellis can do in 30 and 45 seconds respectively. Granted, Ellis first shot was an air ball but he did follow it up with a great defensive play. Who knows, but with Casimir and IW both "off" today from outside, perhaps Ellis could have rattled in 3 or 4 deep ones to help keep us in it and reclaim lost momentum. My point was it would be hard to know when the leash is so short for these guys.
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Post by Joebird on Nov 30, 2014 19:49:06 GMT -5
I do see both sides of the argument. Maybe it would have been different had Hines not made a dumb foul and Ellis thrown up an air ball on a wide open 3. That one really bothered me, it shows he wasn't mentally ready to come in and contribute. I guess time to move on but the frustrating part is iona gets very few chances at a win over a top 20-40 team.
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Post by chelseadal on Nov 30, 2014 20:06:37 GMT -5
I do see both sides of the argument. Maybe it would have been different had Hines not made a dumb foul and Ellis thrown up an air ball on a wide open 3. That one really bothered me, it shows he wasn't mentally ready to come in and contribute. I guess time to move on but the frustrating part is iona gets very few chances at a win over a top 20-40 team. Joebird, Laury and AJ had to be exhausted
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Post by iona1970 on Nov 30, 2014 20:23:10 GMT -5
Weren't we playing a 6'4 PF (Kelvin)? Amayo was playing wing primarily and presented a mismatch tonight even against better competition. Totally different beast from Dublin. if dublin wasn't brought here to play a few minutes in big games, why did we waste a scholarship on a 1 yr player, to beat fairfield in february? the bench needs to play more, 1 at a time, if laury and aj both get 2 minutes extra around a timeout each i think we might have had the legs to lose by single digits, amayo is not in shape to play a whole half as of yet
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Post by ionatom on Nov 30, 2014 20:29:33 GMT -5
If we played this game later in the season we could have won it. Amayo would be in better game shape and more in control; Ced would have greater confidence on such a big stage. They really played great those first 32 minutes though.
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Post by iona05 on Nov 30, 2014 20:33:54 GMT -5
Amayo was playing wing primarily and presented a mismatch tonight even against better competition. Totally different beast from Dublin. if dublin wasn't brought here to play a few minutes in big games, why did we waste a scholarship on a 1 yr player, to beat fairfield in february? the bench needs to play more, 1 at a time, if laury and aj both get 2 minutes extra around a timeout each i think we might have had the legs to lose by single digits, amayo is not in shape to play a whole half as of yet Would rather play to win than to lose by single digits. Only chance to win this game is to ride our horses for all we can. Ced and IW were combined 4 for 19. That was the issue, not that Hines didn't give DL3 or AJ a blow for a few minutes. Btw, Ibn played 18 mins and Dublin played 6. What's the problem with the minute distribution there?
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Post by ic59 on Nov 30, 2014 20:35:27 GMT -5
1970, agree with you 100%. Dublin, in very limited time, looked okay to me. Ellis missed an open three, but those things happen. Some nights we can't miss and some days we have no trouble missing. We lost to a better team and let's leave the over analysis to TC and his staff.
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Post by GuyF on Nov 30, 2014 20:47:26 GMT -5
Lots of mixed reactions, but really both sides are right: we wore down, and we didn't get normal contributions from IW and to a lesser extent Sed.
Monmouth is no easy task.
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Post by gregcrow on Nov 30, 2014 21:03:22 GMT -5
Lots of mixed reactions, but really both sides are right: we wore down, and we didn't get normal contributions from IW and to a lesser extent Sed. Monmouth is no easy task. But Niagara is in first place!
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Post by jcgael on Nov 30, 2014 21:10:41 GMT -5
Great 30 minutes and then we hit the wall. Arkansas is a VG team and once they sensed blood in the water they ratcheted up the pressure. We have to leave this one in the rear view mirror and focus on Monmouth.
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Post by tiger on Nov 30, 2014 21:16:18 GMT -5
The boys played their balls off today , really looked good until they ran out of gas , so yeah I'm going to agree that maybe we should have gone deeper in the rotation for minutes.....but I am happy with their effort
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Post by GuyF on Nov 30, 2014 22:02:45 GMT -5
The boys played their balls off today , really looked good until they ran out of gas , so yeah I'm going to agree that maybe we should have gone deeper in the rotation for minutes.....but I am happy with their effort If we saw this team in a 4-13 or 5-12 NCAA game, I'd like our chances. We WERE on the road, and our physical condition will be better at season's end. Plus, and I'm serious, I think Cluess will realize by then that he needs to use his bench a bit more (but not too much more in an NCAA game).
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