GUY......Take issue with your strong use of the word ''Minuscule'' to describe our NCAA chances if we were to suffer a loss along the way...Although I agree with the premise I will offer one of the ways to dispute the issue......
If we were to win our next 2 games and 2 more in the MAAC tourney, and then a loss in the final game, it would give us 27 wins and a 14 game winning streak...When is the last time in memory a team with those type credentials failed to get a bid? We would have surely been a prohibited MAAC tourney final game favorite before the loss of at least a estimated 65%...With the loss would it suddenly leave us without a 'minuscule' of a chance of at large bid?....That IMO is a stretch to far...
Our NCAA chances would certainly been diminished, but the odds of a bid would be far above ''Minuscule'...
It seems to me this type issue was discussed a few years ago...Have faith.........
There have been plenty of mids with 27 mids who haven't danced.
Our profile isn't as good as it was in 2012, and we barely squeaked in then.
Miniscule.
The greatest poster in the history of the MAAC as determined by THREE separate polls.
Truth OT. After they lost that MAAC tourney game three years ago, few gave them a chance. But if they go into the MAAC final at 27-6 this year and lose, I would say that they have about a 30% chance of getting an at-large bid. Their RPI is 47 today, and that could possibly inch up if they keep winning. Barring any upsets in certain conference tourney's, there will be, I think, 48 spaces at the top of the field that should get in. This is because the best teams in 12 different conferences are also in the top RPI 36. (the number of at-large berths). So if they can be considered one of the best 48 teams in the country, they'll get in. The thing that will hurt them, though, despite their excellent RPI, is their lack of any top 50 wins. So I put their chances at about 30%. Whether or not that can be considered miniscule is a matter of semantics.
And interestingly, that year, the committee chair said, in the interview immediately after the field was announced, that their were several other teams that made it that had worse resumes than Iona. So Iona was not even the last at-large team in that year.
Reckson, of course we were one of the last 2, we were in the play in game of the lower seed that = last 2
Truth OT. After they lost that MAAC tourney game three years ago, few gave them a chance. But if they go into the MAAC final at 27-6 this year and lose, I would say that they have about a 30% chance of getting an at-large bid. Their RPI is 47 today, and that could possibly inch up if they keep winning. Barring any upsets in certain conference tourney's, there will be, I think, 48 spaces at the top of the field that should get in. This is because the best teams in 12 different conferences are also in the top RPI 36. (the number of at-large berths). So if they can be considered one of the best 48 teams in the country, they'll get in. The thing that will hurt them, though, despite their excellent RPI, is their lack of any top 50 wins. So I put their chances at about 30%. Whether or not that can be considered miniscule is a matter of semantics.
And interestingly, that year, the committee chair said, in the interview immediately after the field was announced, that their were several other teams that made it that had worse resumes than Iona. So Iona was not even the last at-large team in that year.
Reckson, of course we were one of the last 2, we were in the play in game of the lower seed that = last 2
I agree-Miniscule. I was one of those fighting for us to get in back then and just don't think we have much of an argument this time other than a good RPI and a strong conference record (which really is what our long win streak is). We had a much better argument in 12 for what the committee cares about: Good RPI including an 18 OOC RPI, all December on the road with 6-2 record, most or near most road wins in the country, 5-3 against top 100 and a top 50 win against Nevada.
All we have going this year is an excellent conference record and a good RPI. I don't think they care that we have a strong offense or very good players. Our best chance is somehow Wake Forest, FGCU and maybe someone else moves up in the RPI. At this point why even worry about this, just win 3 games in Albany and we are in.
Joe, agree on both, in'12 I thought we would get in and this time we really should win. I believe its better than the 40% chance people are giving us, when you factor in the rankings if we lose its because we beat ourselves and not that someone else beat us. If we play our A or B game with IW we can't lose.
I'm going to do a 180 on this and agree with JB, GUY, and 1970. I checked and Iona not only doesn't have any top 50 wins, but they don't have any top 100 wins either. Tough to overcome that. It appears they will definitely have to win the MAAC Tourney to dance this year.
As far as 2012 goes, is that how they do it, 1970. Doesn't seem fair. I guess they want better teams in the play-in games. The worst four teams should be in the PIGs. Not the at-large teams. But at least he did say they were not the last team in.
I'm going to do a 180 on this and agree with JB, GUY, and 1970. I checked and Iona not only doesn't have any top 50 wins, but they don't have any top 100 wins either. Tough to overcome that. It appears they will definitely have to win the MAAC Tourney to dance this year.
As far as 2012 goes, is that how they do it, 1970. Doesn't seem fair. I guess they want better teams in the play-in games. The worst four teams should be in the PIGs. Not the at-large teams. But at least he did say they were not the last team in.
Tough to get top 50 wins when schools don't answer the phone when we try to schedule
I'm going to do a 180 on this and agree with JB, GUY, and 1970. I checked and Iona not only doesn't have any top 50 wins, but they don't have any top 100 wins either. Tough to overcome that. It appears they will definitely have to win the MAAC Tourney to dance this year.
As far as 2012 goes, is that how they do it, 1970. Doesn't seem fair. I guess they want better teams in the play-in games. The worst four teams should be in the PIGs. Not the at-large teams. But at least he did say they were not the last team in.
the worst 4 at large play and the worst 4 automatic teams play
I'm going to do a 180 on this and agree with JB, GUY, and 1970. I checked and Iona not only doesn't have any top 50 wins, but they don't have any top 100 wins either. Tough to overcome that. It appears they will definitely have to win the MAAC Tourney to dance this year.
As far as 2012 goes, is that how they do it, 1970. Doesn't seem fair. I guess they want better teams in the play-in games. The worst four teams should be in the PIGs. Not the at-large teams. But at least he did say they were not the last team in.
Tough to get top 50 wins when schools don't answer the phone when we try to schedule
Tau, our schedule looked better at the beginning of the year, it just happened some schools had bad years ans the maac didn't have any and there is no more bracketbuster
Tough to get top 50 wins when schools don't answer the phone when we try to schedule
Tau, our schedule looked better at the beginning of the year, it just happened some schools had bad years ans the maac didn't have any and there is no more bracketbuster
I respectfully disagree. Minute I saw our schedule I knew it was lacking, outside of Arkansas. Wake is always a doormat in the ACC(but at least they have balls scheduling us). UMass is good. Other than that we have to search for good mid majors a la Wofford to fill out our schedule because LOCAL bigger conference teams are too busy scheduling the likes of Marist,Columbia and D2 teams
The NIT did that to St. John's, Tau, because the DI team that they had scheduled for the first round backed out when they found out the first two rounds were a sham.(The host team does not even have to win to advance). So all they could find was this DII team. Doesn't help your NCAA resume. Lost opportunity for another win. And the NIT wanted SJU to count it in their posted win total, something they don't usually do because it is bogus. Fordham does this every year. But SJU does not us ususally do this. Rutgers does it to. Fraschilla used to do it because he is a complete dork.
By the way Tau, what is this about SJU not answering phone calls. How do you know about this? You often get stuff that is not public info. You seem to have very good sources. What are the juicy details? Are they feeling pestered? This is ideal posting material. One point though: Fordham plays St. John's every year and look where they are. You don't have to play SJU to do well. Iona does not and they are often dancing and Fordham has not danced since 71. Except for one year.
The NIT did that to St. John's, Tau, because the DI team that they had scheduled for the first round backed out when they found out the first two rounds were a sham.(The host team does not even have to win to advance). So all they could find was this DII team. Doesn't help your NCAA resume. Lost opportunity for another win. And the NIT wanted SJU to count it in their posted win total, something they don't usually do because it is bogus. Fordham does this every year. But SJU does not us ususally do this. Rutgers does it to. Fraschilla used to do it because he is a complete dork.
By the way Tau, what is this about SJU not answering phone calls. How do you know about this? You often get stuff that is not public info. You seem to have very good sources. What are the juicy details? Are they feeling pestered? This is ideal posting material. One point though: Fordham plays St. John's every year and look where they are. You don't have to play SJU to do well. Iona does not and they are often dancing and Fordham has not danced since 71. Except for one year.
It's not speculation. It's fact. We reach out to SJU each year and is always DOA.
They won't agree to a game as long as Cluess is the coach. Remember, Cluess left SJU after they recruited over his head (Chris Mullin in 1981). May have left a bad taste in his mouth. But can you imagine if they hire Massiello? What do you think the odds would be then? You can't have too many rivalry games. They are harder games that can only hurt your RPI. There are very few local teams that they play regularly. Fordham is one and they now seem to be on the upswing.
They won't agree to a game as long as Cluess is the coach. Remember, Cluess left SJU after they recruited over his head (Chris Mullin in 1981). May have left a bad taste in his mouth. But can you imagine if they hire Massiello? What do you think the odds would be then? You can't have too many rivalry games. They are harder games that can only hurt your RPI. There are very few local teams that they play regularly. Fordham is one and they now seem to be on the upswing.
this could be one of the dumbest posts ever clues has coached Iona for 5 yrs when was the last time st chicken played us? to many rivalry games? who are st johns rivals? they play Niagara every year stop with the redmen bs
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They won't agree to a game as long as Cluess is the coach. Remember, Cluess left SJU after they recruited over his head (Chris Mullin in 1981). May have left a bad taste in his mouth. But can you imagine if they hire Massiello? What do you think the odds would be then? You can't have too many rivalry games. They are harder games that can only hurt your RPI. There are very few local teams that they play regularly. Fordham is one and they now seem to be on the upswing.
this could be one of the dumbest posts ever clues has coached Iona for 5 yrs when was the last time st chicken played us? to many rivalry games? who are st johns rivals? they play Niagara every year stop with the redmen bs
+1. That's ridiculous. I'm sure Mullin and Cluess were on the same recruiting plane. Mullin was a heralded prospect who could pick and choose his school, and Cluess, well...
Johnnies have been ducking Gaels way before Cluess, and will continue to do so until they have no choice but to play.