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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 15:00:53 GMT -5
You really need to stop being such a "wise guy" on the computer, 70. There is no need for it. Why don't you just post your comments like everyone else? You wouldn't speak to anyone in person like that. The St. Chicken thing is funny and I give you credit for it. But you don't have to get personal just because you don't agree with me.
As far as scheduling goes, it is about rpi. They don't play Niagara every year but they play Fordham. That is their rivalry game. I have no idea why Iona doesn't play Fordham or Seton Hall every year. SJU just does not have a tradition with Iona, and they stand to lose much more than they gain. You certainly have a good reason to be angry with SJU because you stand a lot more to gain then they do. And it would be fun for a lot of fans. But their job is to get SJU into the tourney, not anyone else. There's 18 teams around here. The recruiting focus has had to change because of the dearth of local talent recently. (The prep schools take what talent remains away from the local recruit base and high school ball around here has been a disaster.)
I don't blame you for complaining about SJU not scheduling you. In fact you should complain. After all that's what these boards are for. I would just ask that you try not to include personal insults so much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 15:02:13 GMT -5
You really need to stop being such a "wise guy" on the computer, 70. There is no need for it. Why don't you just post your comments like everyone else? You wouldn't speak to anyone in person like that. The St. Chicken thing is funny and I give you credit for it. But you don't have to get personal just because you don't agree with me.
As far as scheduling goes, it is about rpi. They don't play Niagara every year but they play Fordham. That is their rivalry game. I have no idea why Iona doesn't play Fordham or Seton Hall every year. SJU just does not have a tradition with Iona, and they stand to lose much more than they gain. You certainly have a good reason to be angry with SJU because you stand a lot more to gain then they do. And it would be fun for a lot of fans. But their job is to get SJU into the tourney, not anyone else. There's 18 teams around here. The recruiting focus has had to change because of the dearth of local talent recently. (The prep schools take what talent remains away from the local recruit base and high school ball around here has been a disaster.)
I don't blame you for complaining about SJU not scheduling you. In fact you should complain. After all that's what these boards are for. I would just ask that you try not to include personal insults so much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 15:02:37 GMT -5
05 I said They recruited over Cluess' head,
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Post by tootie223 on Feb 26, 2015 15:29:27 GMT -5
SJU just does not have a tradition with Iona, and they stand to lose much more than they gain. And there you have it. There is a reason why the Red Storm are called St. Chicken. I guarantee if (and it is a mighty big IF) Fordham ever attained the success that Iona has (and that includes beating the Johnies), the Red Storm will lose the Rams phone number. It is funny how St. John's found time on their schedule in 2014/15 and 2012/13 to play their "natural rival" NJIT, but hasn't found one little teeny-weeny spot to schedule Iona. If you think it stems from anything to do with Tim Cluess - I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. It goes all the way back to before the Big East when Iona knocked St. John's out of the ECAC playoffs.
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Post by iona1970 on Feb 26, 2015 16:03:24 GMT -5
You really need to stop being such a "wise guy" on the computer, 70. There is no need for it. Why don't you just post your comments like everyone else? You wouldn't speak to anyone in person like that. The St. Chicken thing is funny and I give you credit for it. But you don't have to get personal just because you don't agree with me. As far as scheduling goes, it is about rpi. They don't play Niagara every year but they play Fordham. That is their rivalry game. I have no idea why Iona doesn't play Fordham or Seton Hall every year. SJU just does not have a tradition with Iona, and they stand to lose much more than they gain. You certainly have a good reason to be angry with SJU because you stand a lot more to gain then they do. And it would be fun for a lot of fans. But their job is to get SJU into the tourney, not anyone else. There's 18 teams around here. The recruiting focus has had to change because of the dearth of local talent recently. (The prep schools take what talent remains away from the local recruit base and high school ball around here has been a disaster.) I don't blame you for complaining about SJU not scheduling you. In fact you should complain. After all that's what these boards are for. I would just ask that you try not to include personal insults so much. all you do is make excuses for the redmen, but you didn't answer so what happened before cluess since you have all the answers about st chicken or what teams exactly are your rivals
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Post by iona05 on Feb 26, 2015 16:13:16 GMT -5
05 I said They recruited over Cluess' head, Apples and oranges. They are not in the same category as recruits.
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Post by ic1983 on Feb 26, 2015 16:48:18 GMT -5
As far as scheduling goes, it is about rpi. They don't play Niagara every year but they play Fordham. That is their rivalry game. Give me a break. St John's playing Fordham isn't a rivalry game. It is a way to schedule a game that is pretty much a guaranteed win almost every year. St John's doesn't consider Fordham a rival, and the minute Fordham gets its act together and becomes a consistently competitive D1 program St John's won't renew the contract. Personally, I don't think Iona needs, or gains, any validation by playing St John's. Our OOC schedule usually includes programs that are stronger than St John's. Do I think St John's has ducked Iona for years? Sure, and it has nothing to to with Cluess transferring as a player. St John's doesn't play Iona because they think there is a very good chance they will lose to the Gaels. Simple as that.
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Post by iona1970 on Feb 27, 2015 8:53:24 GMT -5
reckson, did you ever figure out an excuse for st chicken for the period before cluess? or their natural rivals?
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Post by hawaii bill on Feb 27, 2015 9:14:42 GMT -5
Rekson is right. SJ's has a lot to lose playing us and Manhattan. Why play us? We would have a lot to gain. SJ's is the flagship college hoops program in NYC. The media who covers college hoops locally has a vested interest in seeing SJ's do well. Not as much with us or Manhattan. You want to know who SJ's isn't worried about playing? Look at their schedule. We're not playing them any time soon unless we meet up in a tournament somehow.
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Post by Joebird on Feb 27, 2015 9:25:31 GMT -5
I understand why they won't play us often but not for 20 years is crazy. 20 years ago they only scheduled us because we were suppose to be terrible and they wanted an easy pass into the holiday festival championship, of course we proceeded to spank them.
They scheduled us in 92 when we were not too good and they needed some local teams in the lapchick tourney, that we lost.
Prior to that we last played them in the ecac metro championship in 79, we won of course. Heck we were technically in their league and they wouldn't play us during the regular season.
Avoid us most of the time but the way they have done it for 35+ years is ridiculous, hence the name st chicken.
I don't think the local media has any idea how long and out of the way they have gone to avoid us!
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Post by ghostofwillard on Feb 27, 2015 9:41:27 GMT -5
Who cares about St. John's, they've been dormant for decades!
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Post by hawaii bill on Feb 27, 2015 9:47:30 GMT -5
I understand why they won't play us often but not for 20 years is crazy. 20 years ago they only scheduled us because we were suppose to be terrible and they wanted an easy pass into the holiday festival championship, of course we proceeded to spank them. They scheduled us in 92 when we were not too good and they needed some local teams in the lapchick tourney, that we lost. Prior to that we last played them in the ecac metro championship in 79, we won of course. Heck we were technically in their league and they wouldn't play us during the regular season. Avoid us most of the time but the way they have done it for 35+ years is ridiculous, hence the name st chicken. I don't think the local media has any idea how long and out of the way they have gone to avoid us! They are not a program with the established security of a Duke or a Kansas. Their perch atop the local landscape is more precarious. They aren't in a position to exert any leadership for the local hoops landscape. One thing both Duke and NC understand and embrace is that they need to knock the crap out of eachother. Its actually A GOOD THING. All the local teams here want to be "King of the Hill." They are insecure. And Fordham desperately wants to be king of the hill, because they are fixated on status. Problem is they are at the bottom. Drives their fans absolutely bat shit crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 17:49:18 GMT -5
It sounds like you guys agree with me. They won't play Iona if Cluess is the coach, because their is a greater risk there. No chance they will play. And they did play once in the 92-93 season when a genius named Mahoney coached and they lost. (He's now an administrator at Manhattan, his alma mater). Ctbill said it well; "they aren't in a position [of strength] to exert any leadership" like Duke or Kansas could.
1970: they played in 92-93. They don't like playing you because of the risk, but my point was that with Cluess coaching there is an absolute 0% chance of getting a game, as opposed to maybe a 5% chance, and that's all I was saying. But again, I get it. Iona fans have a right to be ticked off at SJU for not scheduling you. If I was not an SJU fan don't you think I would be angry too. Of course, so I get it. If, though, I see something said that I disagree with, or something factually incorrect, I will post about it. That's what these internet boards are for.
And again 70, I have to object to the personally insulting tone of your comments. I don't understand why you feel you have to insult people. After all, I don't make the decisions for St. John's and I am a fan of both programs, so just chill. I don't troll here. Most of the posts here are interesting and I try to add to them. I enjoy this site; one of the best. But never insult people over the internet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 18:02:24 GMT -5
83 and Tootie, when Penders was the coach, they played Fordham once or twice EVERY year. Those were excellent Fordham teams and a lot of the games came down to the final seconds. So when you say "when Fordham gets [good] SJU will duck them", you are not on good footing. In fact, as we speak, Fordham is getting their act together. They have won four out of six in a top conference, and have everyone back next year (plus Canty), while SJU has no one back. The game will go on. Fordham will be favored and they will probably beat us. So your definitely wrong on that point at least. But they won't cancel it because it is their rivalry game. The only point I make is that you can't have too many rivalry games because the smaller program gets the emotional advantage, but their is no way the RPI can take that into consideration. So it's a dumb move. Their job is to get their team into the NCAA tourney. Not to help the other local teams.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 18:23:56 GMT -5
O5, perhaps their is some misunderstanding. Recruiting over someone's head means to recruit someone who is not in your league. Someone much better than you. This often causes the lesser player to transfer, many times with hard feelings. Mullin was better than almost any other recruit at his position (other than MJ of course) in the country that year. So they "recruited over Cluess' head". Cluess was a fairly good player,though. He must have been. He did well at Hofstra and he played professionally in Australia, so he must have had some talent. But when they recruited Mullin, his chances for a little PT Senior year completely evaporated. I was just trying to provide a different perspective about Cluess that might be interesting to some readers here, but maybe I shouldn't have. I thought maybe a different perspective would be interesting. I remember when they recruited him. I was a kid.
I don't understand your point 05. Apples and oranges? They were not in the same category? That's what I was saying. Hard feelings on the part of Cluess for them recruiting "over his head". Mullin was way over his head causing hard feelings. That's my point. What are you saying?
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