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Post by GuyF on Mar 18, 2015 7:07:10 GMT -5
Manhttan cost the Maac 1.6 Million tonight! Ouch! Is this accurate? Yes.
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Post by unowho on Mar 18, 2015 8:58:24 GMT -5
Iona will always win but will never WIN. Kind of reminds me of my my mom asking me to get something from the shelf she can't reach. NEED BIGS TO BE TRULY COMPETITIVE.
SAD BUT I COPY AND PASTE THIS EVERY STINKING YEAR.
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Post by iona1970 on Mar 18, 2015 9:42:30 GMT -5
unowho, whats the saying about doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result
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Post by ic1983 on Mar 18, 2015 9:43:12 GMT -5
First we need some semblance of a defense. We showed some when IW went down and then abandoned it again. If Cluess wants to win another important game in March (including another MAAC title game) we need some form of effective defense we can use in big games. Iona doesn't surprise anyone anymore with our offense. Last night was more of the same in a big game. Wide open 3s and unopposed cuts to the basket for our opponent. URI figured out our press in about 5 minutes and it took Cluess until the half to notice that we were getting shredded every time down the floor. And his adjustment was only temporarily effective.
URI is a good, well coached team with athletic bigs. And we played them at home. I get all of that. A well played loss is understandable. A debacle and embarrassment is not. Cluess loves his offense and style, and it produces wins and is fun to watch when it is working. But wins raise expectations and the one trick pony BS has to end. All of us are challenged to improve at our jobs/professions. This should serve as a huge wake up call to Cluess.
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Post by iona1970 on Mar 18, 2015 9:52:49 GMT -5
they weren't a huge team, but they rebounded boxed out and cared about getting back and stopping us, we have some guys that bust it on D and others who sometimes get back on D, taking off a few possessions on D results in games like last night. Just because guys are good scorers doesn't mean they are not accountable on the defensive end. Most offensive teams play D hard, maybe not great but they play with effort up and down the court, but you can only do that if you play more than 6 1/2 guys. Ibn was one of our better defenders all year but hardly played, when our gaurds play off the guy with the ball much easier to find the open cutters
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Post by chelseadal on Mar 18, 2015 10:02:18 GMT -5
they weren't a huge team, but they rebounded boxed out and cared about getting back and stopping us, we have some guys that bust it on D and others who sometimes get back on D, taking off a few possessions on D results in games like last night. Just because guys are good scorers doesn't mean they are not accountable on the defensive end. Most offensive teams play D hard, maybe not great but they play with effort up and down the court, but you can only do that if you play more than 6 1/2 guys. Ibn was one of our better defenders all year but hardly played, when our gaurds play off the guy with the ball much easier to find the open cutters It is hard to play Ibn and Cas together. Just give up so much size. Hines has shrunk into a no confidence, just don't get in the way type player. Hate to see that the last several games.
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Post by java on Mar 18, 2015 10:07:49 GMT -5
First we need some semblance of a defense. We showed some when IW went down and then abandoned it again. If Cluess wants to win another important game in March (including another MAAC title game) we need some form of effective defense we can use in big games. Iona doesn't surprise anyone anymore with our offense. Last night was more of the same in a big game. Wide open 3s and unopposed cuts to the basket for our opponent. URI figured out our press in about 5 minutes and it took Cluess until the half to notice that we were getting shredded every time down the floor. And his adjustment was only temporarily effective. URI is a good, well coached team with athletic bigs. And we played them at home. I get all of that. A well played loss is understandable. A debacle and embarrassment is not. Cluess loves his offense and style, and it produces wins and is fun to watch when it is working. But wins raise expectations and the one trick pony BS has to end. All of us are challenged to improve at our jobs/professions. This should serve as a huge wake up call to Cluess. Excellent post
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Post by unowho on Mar 18, 2015 10:11:56 GMT -5
unowho, whats the saying about doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result Not sure, but how about "the first step in ladder to success is action." The action in this model is the recruiting of bigs. Guards are plentiful and we obviously see that they will not take to the promised land alone. Get the BIGS and the success will follow.
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Post by ghostofwillard on Mar 18, 2015 10:18:26 GMT -5
I'm going to disagree with all you guys,; 21-34 Ft's , 6-23 3 pts atts.; improve those numbers you win the game !!!
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Post by unowho on Mar 18, 2015 10:46:08 GMT -5
I'm going to disagree with all you guys,; 21-34 Ft's , 6-23 3 pts atts.; improve those numbers you win the game !!! We need to stop being content with mediocrity. Read your post. You are thinking in the singular sense(this game). I would like to win games in the plural. And plural is not possible with the lack of BIGS.
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Post by iona1970 on Mar 18, 2015 10:46:45 GMT -5
I'm going to disagree with all you guys,; 21-34 Ft's , 6-23 3 pts atts.; improve those numbers you win the game !!! correct but sometimes you don't shoot good, we need to not be a one trick pony
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Post by ic1983 on Mar 18, 2015 10:59:15 GMT -5
I'm going to disagree with all you guys,; 21-34 Ft's , 6-23 3 pts atts.; improve those numbers you win the game !!! correct but sometimes you don't shoot good, we need to not be a one trick pony Ghost, look at URI's shooting percentage for the Iona game vs their season long averages. There is your answer. Sometimes Iona's shooters will miss. Sometimes the opponent has something to do with that. Don't you wonder why so many teams have season highs in field goal percentage against Iona? Cluess needs an alternative when the outside shots don't fall. He doesn't have one. It is very hard to find athletic bigs at our level. Would love it if we did. But adding a few hard nosed 6'5" or 6'6" kids who can defend (and who want to), and teaching the rest of the team how to defend, would go a long way to solving this problem. We don't have to abandon the fast paced approach to improve the D to an acceptable level.
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Post by ghostofwillard on Mar 18, 2015 11:07:58 GMT -5
correct but sometimes you don't shoot good, we need to not be a one trick pony Ghost, look at URI's shooting percentage for the Iona game vs their season long averages. There is your answer. Sometimes Iona's shooters will miss. Sometimes the opponent has something to do with that. Don't you wonder why so many teams have season highs in field goal percentage against Iona? Cluess needs an alternative when the outside shots don't fall. He doesn't have one. It is very hard to find athletic bigs at our level. Would love it if we did. But adding a few hard nosed 6'5" or 6'6" kids who can defend (and who want to), and teaching the rest of the team how to defend, would go a long way to solving this problem. We don't have to abandon the fast paced approach to improve the D to an acceptable level. Again I'll disagree, if Iona executes on the offensive end they win the game, no difference than Manhattan being out defended last night by Hampton, all symantecs!
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Post by ic1983 on Mar 18, 2015 11:32:51 GMT -5
Ghost, look at URI's shooting percentage for the Iona game vs their season long averages. There is your answer. Sometimes Iona's shooters will miss. Sometimes the opponent has something to do with that. Don't you wonder why so many teams have season highs in field goal percentage against Iona? Cluess needs an alternative when the outside shots don't fall. He doesn't have one. It is very hard to find athletic bigs at our level. Would love it if we did. But adding a few hard nosed 6'5" or 6'6" kids who can defend (and who want to), and teaching the rest of the team how to defend, would go a long way to solving this problem. We don't have to abandon the fast paced approach to improve the D to an acceptable level. Again I'll disagree, if Iona executes on the offensive end they win the game, no difference than Manhattan being out defended last night by Hampton, all symantecs! With all due respect, this is a prescription for wash, rinse, repeat.
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Post by Gael1985 on Mar 18, 2015 11:34:17 GMT -5
I don't post very often on this board but for what it's worth I thought the Cluess comments at the end of the game are quite telling ..... "Unfortunately we were cold". His strategy of having fast moving, scoring guards that can shoot the daylights out of the opponent is a decent strategy but it is ONLY one strategy. It does not allow for anything else when you are playing a team that can pound the boards, defend well and control tempo. We will do well in a sub par league by recruiting one or two very good scorers but we will never evolve to anything greater. You will never be a decent NCAA tournament team with one strategy. He publicly has professed that he does not want to play the way "others" play the game but I think his way is inherently flawed. If Iona does want to do great things either Cluess needs to radically change or he will need to leave. To be clear, I think he can win all sorts of league championships doing what he does and maybe get a look at an NCAA game every couple of years but the program will have to be willing to be just that. Perhaps being a top level MAAC team that every couple of years makes it to the dance as a weak seed is all anyone wants....... but why not dream? Maybe we just need to be happy with a winning percentage coach that I think is a great representative for Iona. I actually really like the guy I just think we need to understand that we are saddled with both the good and the bad of Tim Cluess.
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