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Post by iona05 on Mar 14, 2024 16:55:26 GMT -5
I look at the whole body of work across the season. Obviously winning the conference tournament is a massive factor, but there are several others that have to be taken into consideration — OOC record, national rankings, big road wins, etc. I don’t see how 21-22 could possibly be considered an inferior season to 23-24.
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Post by iona1970 on Mar 14, 2024 17:23:54 GMT -5
i give both years a C. Pitino year massive disappointment not going dancing.
this year a slight disappointment, but not a hall of fame coach, a coach learning with his players on the fly.
easy to explain yankees win 95 games and lose in the first round they get a C
pirates picked for worst in baseball but go 80-82 get a B
depends what the expectations were when the season started
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Post by gaelsiona on Mar 14, 2024 17:30:58 GMT -5
Well if we are giving a letter grade, I'd give it a B. For a benchmark, the Pitino season where we lost to Rider in the quarterfinals of the MAAC as a 1 seed, I'd give a B-. This has to be sarcasm |
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Post by gaelsiona on Mar 14, 2024 17:34:21 GMT -5
How could this season possibly be graded higher than a season where we were a #1 seed and had one of the best regular seasons in program history? I know we crapped the bed in AC, but it is hard to put this season ahead of that season IMO. Here's my rationale: 2021-22 Iona Hall of Fame Coach, Won 2 National Titles, Coached the Knicks & Celtics His team returned Berrick JL, Nellie JJ, Os, Parker W., and D. van Eyck from the year before Roster was the best in the MAAC and remained healthy Limited reliance on first year players in key situations Didn't win a MAACT Game 2023-24 Iona Very good College Coach Team returned 1 player who had never played for the coach The returning player who was to be a key piece of the team was injured before the season, missed a lot of time, and played injured the entire year Even if the grad transfers performed very well, would have still had to rely on first year players in key situations The coach had to navigate a looney tranfer, pay to play environment the likes of which we hadn't seen before and if you believe the former coach, was the reason he high-tailed it out of town to coach SJ's because it scared the living bejeesus out of him. Won 1 MAACT Game So while the 21-22 team won a conference title (and lost in its NIT game), it underachieved moreso than the 23-24 team, imo. Context is everything. And there has to be a benchmark. I don't know how you can grade anything in a vacuum. Didn’t we beat a top 10 team that year? Does Tobin pay you guys to have his back? |
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Post by broguy99 on Mar 14, 2024 18:42:11 GMT -5
C
Don't know how you could go any higher than that.
Respectable, but not good.
To move up to a B next year gotta finish top 5 and also make semis at least.
Improvement is a MUST.
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Post by hawaii bill on Mar 14, 2024 19:18:34 GMT -5
Well if we are giving a letter grade, I'd give it a B. For a benchmark, the Pitino season where we lost to Rider in the quarterfinals of the MAAC as a 1 seed, I'd give a B-. This has to be sarcasm Sorry you have to stick your neck out and give a grade. Just hiding in the weeds and criticizing others isn’t good enough. |
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Post by gregcrow on Mar 14, 2024 19:19:21 GMT -5
Here's my rationale: 2021-22 Iona Hall of Fame Coach, Won 2 National Titles, Coached the Knicks & Celtics His team returned Berrick JL, Nellie JJ, Os, Parker W., and D. van Eyck from the year before Roster was the best in the MAAC and remained healthy Limited reliance on first year players in key situations Didn't win a MAACT Game 2023-24 Iona Very good College Coach Team returned 1 player who had never played for the coach The returning player who was to be a key piece of the team was injured before the season, missed a lot of time, and played injured the entire year Even if the grad transfers performed very well, would have still had to rely on first year players in key situations The coach had to navigate a looney tranfer, pay to play environment the likes of which we hadn't seen before and if you believe the former coach, was the reason he high-tailed it out of town to coach SJ's because it scared the living bejeesus out of him. Won 1 MAACT Game So while the 21-22 team won a conference title (and lost in its NIT game), it underachieved moreso than the 23-24 team, imo. Context is everything. And there has to be a benchmark. I don't know how you can grade anything in a vacuum. Didn’t we beat a top 10 team that year? Does Tobin pay you guys to have his back? Yes. He does |
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Post by hawaii bill on Mar 14, 2024 19:22:18 GMT -5
Here's my rationale: 2021-22 Iona Hall of Fame Coach, Won 2 National Titles, Coached the Knicks & Celtics His team returned Berrick JL, Nellie JJ, Os, Parker W., and D. van Eyck from the year before Roster was the best in the MAAC and remained healthy Limited reliance on first year players in key situations Didn't win a MAACT Game 2023-24 Iona Very good College Coach Team returned 1 player who had never played for the coach The returning player who was to be a key piece of the team was injured before the season, missed a lot of time, and played injured the entire year Even if the grad transfers performed very well, would have still had to rely on first year players in key situations The coach had to navigate a looney tranfer, pay to play environment the likes of which we hadn't seen before and if you believe the former coach, was the reason he high-tailed it out of town to coach SJ's because it scared the living bejeesus out of him. Won 1 MAACT Game So while the 21-22 team won a conference title (and lost in its NIT game), it underachieved moreso than the 23-24 team, imo. Context is everything. And there has to be a benchmark. I don't know how you can grade anything in a vacuum. Didn’t we beat a top 10 team that year? Does Tobin pay you guys to have his back? We did, which proves we had the talent to dominate the MAAC and win the MAAC Tourney, which we didn’t do. |
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Post by newchapteric24 on Mar 14, 2024 20:48:08 GMT -5
Loved going to the games as always but I don’t see this season anything better than a C. It was a disappointing season. Nobody’s fault but Shitino. He left us high and dry and took players he will never need in Cruz and Ayo (Slaz too before he got smart). Those guys would have helped the great Os. Tobin and the kids did the best they could under the circumstances. Lots to look forward to though if our freshmen stay and we get good incoming recruits and transfers. A lot to ask given the NCAA climate. TBH I had no idea how good of a coach Tobin really is this year. I think we will get a better representation next year on that. So yeah… an Incomplete or a C for me.
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Post by GuyF on Mar 14, 2024 21:09:39 GMT -5
I'm OK with a C as well. Agree with some earlier posts noting that it's subjective based on expectations. Imperfect science for sure.
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Post by java on Mar 14, 2024 23:06:30 GMT -5
C-
Transitional year.
Recruiting for 2024 season will be critical to pivot and regain a path to league prestige.
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Post by gaelsiona on Mar 14, 2024 23:06:54 GMT -5
Sorry you have to stick your neck out and give a grade. Just hiding in the weeds and criticizing others isn’t good enough. C if we didn’t lose Gordon. C- |
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Post by hawaii bill on Mar 15, 2024 7:46:50 GMT -5
Well this whole exercise should help our recruiting. At least it's not as bad as the thread on the Siena board where 100% want to fire Carm.
IIRC heading into the MAAC Tournament of Pitino's first year the consensus was that he should get a pass because he brought in a bunch of new guys and had to deal with the unprecedented circumstances brought on by COVID. Tobin had to bring in a bunch of new guys and had to deal with the unprecedented circumstances of free transfers and pay to play. We were eager to kiss Pitino's ass though.
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Post by GuyF on Mar 15, 2024 7:50:37 GMT -5
Well this whole exercise should help our recruiting. At least it's not as bad as the thread on the Siena board where 100% want to fire Carm. And they just got a commitment. |
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Post by hawaii bill on Mar 15, 2024 7:53:36 GMT -5
Well this whole exercise should help our recruiting. At least it's not as bad as the thread on the Siena board where 100% want to fire Carm. And they just got a commitment. Let's keep an eye on the Siena situation and see how they do. If we want high quality recruits (not just any guy desperate to play D-1 who knows he can transfer in a year with no repercussions), unless its warranted, I don't think bashing our coach in public helps. Just my opinion. It kind of goes back to we all want the team to succeed, so what are we doing to help in that regard? It's easy to be in a funk because our HOF coach left and just piss on everything and anything. That's easy. That's the couch potato level of engagement. |
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