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Post by Cjb on Jan 28, 2012 17:19:53 GMT -5
I saw Grimes throughout his carreer and always considered him the benchmark to judge all others.
We've had some great PG's in Sean Worthy, John MacDonald, Marvin McCullough, etc, but none of them IMO were as good as Grimes.
Gun to my head to pick one (Grimes vs Scott) - I would really have to flip a coin.
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Post by tomf on Jan 28, 2012 17:40:34 GMT -5
I have seen a lot of the point guards as well, and in my opinion Scott is better. He has led the nation in assists not only all of this year but finished near the top last year. We have as far as i know ever had a point guard do that.
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Post by chelseadal on Jan 28, 2012 21:54:58 GMT -5
Rory played for the great Riverside church teams of the 80's.... he more than held his own and in many cases outplayed future pros like Mark Jackson. The only things separating Rory Grimes and Mark Jackson was five or six inches and the fact that Jackson had huge pushes from the NY media because he played for SJU. If the league was down to 23 teams, no development league and Scott was 5'8"... he would not have a chance at being drafted. Scott has the size and strength to play pros. He has shown a big improvement in a year and the scouts think he has more potential to develop. That is why scott is on the radar right now. Grimes played a much tougher schedule than Scott ever saw. One question.... if you had to have one of them running your offense with the game on the line.... who would you want.... Grimes or Scott? I would take Grimes.... but it is a close call. The only thing separating them was 5 or 6 inches!!!! That is EVERYTHING. If Glover was 5 or 6 inches taller he would be drafted number one. It reminds me of the line, "if my grandmother had balls she would be my grandfather."
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Post by IONA86 on Jan 28, 2012 23:06:28 GMT -5
just curious is there any video/photos of grimes and the early 80s iona team? i can't find them anywhere online and would be curious to check them out since i was too young to remember. The school should dig up old tape of all the greats create a marketing/recruiting tools with it. We have a great tradition yet all we ever talk about is Louisville.
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Post by IONA86 on Jan 28, 2012 23:48:59 GMT -5
Rory played for the great Riverside church teams of the 80's.... he more than held his own and in many cases outplayed future pros like Mark Jackson. The only things separating Rory Grimes and Mark Jackson was five or six inches and the fact that Jackson had huge pushes from the NY media because he played for SJU. If the league was down to 23 teams, no development league and Scott was 5'8"... he would not have a chance at being drafted. Scott has the size and strength to play pros. He has shown a big improvement in a year and the scouts think he has more potential to develop. That is why scott is on the radar right now. Grimes played a much tougher schedule than Scott ever saw. One question.... if you had to have one of them running your offense with the game on the line.... who would you want.... Grimes or Scott? I would take Grimes.... but it is a close call. The only thing separating them was 5 or 6 inches!!!! That is EVERYTHING. If Glover was 5 or 6 inches taller he would be drafted number one. It reminds me of the line, "if my grandmother had balls she would be my grandfather." "The only thing separating them was 5 or 6 inches!!!! That is EVERYTHING."Lol.... look at you being a size queen. ;D Grimes was passed over because of his height.... nobody took chances on a guy of that height. Glover may suffer the same fate but it is not about ability because like Grimes, Glover has toasted pros in the summer leagues and proven they can play. Getting drafted and sticking with the NBA has more to it than just ability. Look at Spud Webb... nobody recruited him, went to JUCO and won a national championship, went to play for V at NCS and he takes them to the sweet 16. Not drafted because of his height.... spent time in the USBL because he wanted to chase the dream... and ended up getting to the NBA and having a pretty decent career. Proved lots of people wrong. Like I said ... it is a toss up. Lets hope that Scott gets the opportunity that Rory was denied. More importantly... lets hope Scott leads us to the NCAA's just like Rory did.
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Post by IONA86 on Jan 29, 2012 0:06:56 GMT -5
I have seen a lot of the point guards as well, and in my opinion Scott is better. He has led the nation in assists not only all of this year but finished near the top last year. We have as far as i know ever had a point guard do that. Yes Machado has had more assists and leads the nation.... but that is not the total job of a PG. Grimes had players that made their own plays so his numbers will be lowered because of that. Rory could pass the ball as well as anyone... I think both players would play as well as each other if switched to the others team and offense. Both are great passers, both are great offensively and could drive the lane. Scott is bigger and stronger, Rory was faster and better defensively. Like I said from the start.... its a matter of choice... a toss up.
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Post by GuyF on Jan 29, 2012 0:14:27 GMT -5
Friggin endless thread. Thought I was on the MAAC board.
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Post by IONA86 on Jan 29, 2012 0:18:21 GMT -5
Lets be happy that people are actually comparing our players today with the greats of our past... it should show everyone that today is the good old days... lets enjoy it while we have it.
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Post by gaelman on Jan 30, 2012 12:31:13 GMT -5
Please Machado and Grimes are even and Momo couldn't shine Burtt's shoes! Grimes and Machado are evem? I guess Grimes was the best Pg in the nation? Grimes and Machado are close, though at this point, I think I'd give Machado a very, slight edge. I think this season is clearly the best an Iona PG has ever had, but over their first 3 years, I think Grimes was a bit better. Steve Burtt, Sr. was better than Momo by a HUGE margin. Comparing Momo to Burtt, Sr. would be like comparing Kiril Wachsmann to Jeff Ruland.
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Post by Super on Jan 30, 2012 20:30:05 GMT -5
Hey Momo & Scott: Hope you read Lunardi and are prepared to respond on the court for the rest of the season. In case you missed it, after this board compared you to the all time Iona greats, Lunardi said: "Joe Lunardi (4:17 PM) Love to watch Iona score. Love to watch teams score on Iona. You get the idea, Matt. Some nights, Machado and Momo are the leading scorers for both teams
We await your response!
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Post by GuyF on Jan 30, 2012 20:50:14 GMT -5
Lunardi said the same thing during the BracketBuster show. He's an idiot. When we're poor defensively, it's usually because of the FRONTcourt, not the backcourt.
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Post by dangaelfan on Jan 30, 2012 21:11:18 GMT -5
I have been following the team closely since the 78/79 season and I think this season's schedule is tougher than any that Burtt Sr. or Grimes faced. I give the nod to Machado over Grimes. The Machado / Glover combo is a great one / two punch. I would have loved to see Ruland come back for his Senior year and be combined with Burtt Sr. and Springer Sr., when Gary could still jump out of the gym.
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Post by gregcrow on Jan 31, 2012 0:42:14 GMT -5
I have been following the team closely since the 78/79 season and I think this season's schedule is tougher than any that Burtt Sr. or Grimes faced. I give the nod to Machado over Grimes. The Machado / Glover combo is a great one / two punch. I would have loved to see Ruland come back for his Senior year and be combined with Burtt Sr. and Springer Sr., when Gary could still jump out of the gym. I think you might get some agreement on that point. My biggest regret as a Gael fan is never having the opportunity to see that group play together.
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Post by IONA86 on Jan 31, 2012 1:11:38 GMT -5
This year Purdue.... Purdue, Maryland, St. Joe's, Denver, Marshall. Richmond. With Maryland and Richmond not having their best years and Denver seems to be struggling now..
81-82 (Burtts first year) - Ohio State - NCAA team, 2nd in Big 10, three NBA players (Tony Campbell, Clark Kellogg & Granville Waiters Marquette - NCAA Team Led by Doc Rivers WSU - featuring Craig Ehlo and Gus Williams LaSalle - Led by NBA players Ralph Lewis and Tom Piotrowski San Francisco- NCAA team led by Wallace Bryant and Quintin Dailey Boston University - Coached by Pitino featuring NBA player GAry Plummer. UNLV - led by Sidney Green and Dwayne Polee Wichita State- featured 4 future NBA players Xavier McDaniel, Antoine Carr, Greg Dreiling and Cliff Levingston
82-83 GWU- featuring NBA player Mike Brown Georgia Tech-Yvon Joseph, Mark Price and John Salley Marquette-Doc Rivers Memphis - NCAA Team featuring Keith Lee and Andre Turner Arizona State - 3rd in Pac 10 featuring Byron Scott St. Bonaventure- Featuring NBA player Mark Jones Nebraska - featuring NBA player Dave Hoppen New Orleans
83- 84 Syracuse - NCAA team featuring Pearl Washington and Rafael Addison Illinois -Chicago Won 22 games North Carolina - featuring Michael Jordan, Brad Daugherty, Sam Perkins, Dave Popson, Kenny Smith and Joe Wolf. Louisville - Lancaster Gordon, Charles Jones, Barry Sumpter, Billy Thompson and Milt Wagner. LaSalle - featuring Ralph Lewis Virginia - Featuring Rick Carlisle, Kenton Edelin, Olden Polynice and Othell Wilson.
84- 85 - Weakest year. Memphis - featuring Turner, Lee, William Bedford and Vincent Askew. UCONN Loyola Chicago - Rick Hughes, Andre Moore and Andre Battle. Duquesne The MAAC that year featured four future pros.
85- 86- NC - featuring Bucknall, Daugherty, Lebo, Wolf, Popson and Kenny Smith. Knocked out in 3rd Round NCAA's by Louisville. Louisville - Billy Thompson, Milt Wagner, Kenny Payne and Pervis Ellison. National Champion Florida featuring Vernon Maxwell and Clifford Lett. UNLV- NCAA team lost West Regional final featuring Armen Gilliam, Anthony Jones, Mark Wade. Louisiana Tech - Featuring Randy White Duquesne St. Bonaventure Marist - NCAA team featuring Smits
The only team that sucked in the MAAC was Manhattan who only won 2 games.
Only year I see as being weaker than this years schedule was 84/85. That year we were very much like this years team where lots of people avoided us. But lets be real... Purdue and Marshall do not compare to playing some of the competition we scheduled back then.
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Post by IONA86 on Jan 31, 2012 1:18:45 GMT -5
I have been following the team closely since the 78/79 season and I think this season's schedule is tougher than any that Burtt Sr. or Grimes faced. I give the nod to Machado over Grimes. The Machado / Glover combo is a great one / two punch. I would have loved to see Ruland come back for his Senior year and be combined with Burtt Sr. and Springer Sr., when Gary could still jump out of the gym. I think you might get some agreement on that point. My biggest regret as a Gael fan is never having the opportunity to see that group play together. If I had three wishes where I could fix things for Iona ... it would be... 1) Take away Springers injuries 2) Keep Colman healthy in 84/85 - we could have been in the final four if the first two happened. 3) Keep Jeff in school for his Senior year.
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