Didn't the CDC just admit that their numbers regarding new covid cases in Florida were inaccurate? Most of these numbers are from the border patrol. But I will mark you down for supporting releasing covid infected illegal immigrants into the general population as a great way to reduce the impact of covid on the general public. I think that such a display of common sense speaks for itself.
Mark me down for having common sense and not allowing myself to be mislead by others, or by ideology.
It is your very ideology that will not allow you to admit that allowing tens of thousands of infected people, some with a more dangerous new variant, into the country is a bad idea.
Mark me down for having common sense and not allowing myself to be mislead by others, or by ideology.
It is your very ideology that will not allow you to admit that allowing tens of thousands of infected people, some with a more dangerous new variant, into the country is a bad idea.
It is your very ideology that will not allow you to admit that allowing tens of thousands of infected people, some with a more dangerous new variant, into the country is a bad idea.
Your feelings or desire to blindly comply are not "facts".
I did not know what One America Network was until I looked it up. But I feel much better now that you posted an article from a non-partisan media outlet like the Washington Post. You do realize that the Wahington Post is pro-open borders?
So answer this simple question... Why do you think thousands of illegal immigrants, who tested positive for covid, being released into the general population, is not a threat to anyone, but unvaccinated citizens (who never tested positive) are a giant threat to your health? Please explain your logic and the science behind your opinion.
Your feelings or desire to blindly comply are not "facts".
I did not know what One America Network was until I looked it up. But I feel much better now that you posted an article from a non-partisan media outlet like the Washington Post. You do realize that the Wahington Post is pro-open borders?
So answer this simple question... Why do you think thousands of illegal immigrants, who tested positive for covid, being released into the general population, is not a threat to anyone, but unvaccinated citizens (who never tested positive) are a giant threat to your health? Please explain your logic and the science behind your opinion.
Last post from me as a response to this nonsense. 1. The population of the United States as a whole, approximately 340 million, and of the unvaccinated portion of population is huge (only approximately 162 million to 183 million are vaccinated, depending on whether you are using one vaccine dose or two). The number of unvaccinated citizens obviously dwarfs the potential number of unvaccinated migrants (even Fox News- which I’m sure you heard of) in its scare stories is using numbers in the tens of thousands. Do you see the importance of the difference in a country of our size? This is about numbers, and numbers don’t lie. 2. Its simply not factual that thousands of Covid positive migrants are being released into the United States. They may get care and monitoring than citizens do who test positive. Some will slip through positive, but see point 1 above for an explanation as to why this can never be a significant factor in this crisis. 3. The Washington Post is a credible news source; not perfect mind you but credible. You can chose to disregard it because it doesn’t kiss Trump’s ass, but their reporting on this issue is mirrored by many other credible news sources. You can find them very easily if you want. 4. The “thousands of Covid positive migrants are causing the Covid crisis we face now” is pure fear mongering hysteria. Do I think that some Covid positive migrants get into the country? Sure they do. But it’s not a primary, secondary, or even tertiary cause of our current crisis. The numbers are insignificant in a country with a population of 340 million. 5. We need to put out the fire that is consuming our house, and stop taking about putting out the fire in the outhouse a 100 yards away. People need to get vaccinated and wear a mask indoors in public settings until we achieve herd immunity. That’s what we need to focus on.
I hope you and you family got vaccinated and stay safe.
Your feelings or desire to blindly comply are not "facts".
I did not know what One America Network was until I looked it up. But I feel much better now that you posted an article from a non-partisan media outlet like the Washington Post. You do realize that the Wahington Post is pro-open borders?
So answer this simple question... Why do you think thousands of illegal immigrants, who tested positive for covid, being released into the general population, is not a threat to anyone, but unvaccinated citizens (who never tested positive) are a giant threat to your health? Please explain your logic and the science behind your opinion.
Last post from me as a response to this nonsense. 1. The population of the United States as a whole, approximately 340 million, and of the unvaccinated portion of population is huge (only approximately 162 million to 183 million are vaccinated, depending on whether you are using one vaccine dose or two). The number of unvaccinated citizens obviously dwarfs the potential number of unvaccinated migrants (even Fox News- which I’m sure you heard of) in its scare stories is using numbers in the tens of thousands. Do you see the importance of the difference in a country of our size? This is about numbers, and numbers don’t lie. 2. Its simply not factual that thousands of Covid positive migrants are being released into the United States. They may get care and monitoring than citizens do who test positive. Some will slip through positive, but see point 1 above for an explanation as to why this can never be a significant factor in this crisis. 3. The Washington Post is a credible news source; not perfect mind you but credible. You can chose to disregard it because it doesn’t kiss Trump’s ass, but their reporting on this issue is mirrored by many other credible news sources. You can find them very easily if you want. 4. The “thousands of Covid positive migrants are causing the Covid crisis we face now” is pure fear mongering hysteria. Do I think that some Covid positive migrants get into the country? Sure they do. But it’s not a primary, secondary, or even tertiary cause of our current crisis. The numbers are insignificant in a country with a population of 340 million. 5. We need to put out the fire that is consuming our house, and stop taking about putting out the fire in the outhouse a 100 yards away. People need to get vaccinated and wear a mask indoors in public settings until we achieve herd immunity. That’s what we need to focus on.
I hope you and you family got vaccinated and stay safe.
Good luck.
You refused to answer the question.
You also refer to these people as migrants... they are not migrants. Migration is the temporary movement of someone within their own borders or across international borders. Immigrants are people who seek permanent residency across international borders through legal means. Illegal Immigrants are those who illegally gain entry to permanently settle in another country. So to be clear, we are talking about illegal immigrants.
As for the Washington Post being mirrored by other media sources... of course they are as 90% of the media is in the pocket of the DNC. Also, who owns the Washington Post? Jeff Bezos, has benefited more than anyone since Covid hit. Shares of Amazon are up by 87% helping to drive an $86 billion increase in Bezos' fortune since January 2020. The left won't even admit there is a crisis on our southern border. Maybe you will believe Texas Democratic Congressman Henry Cuellar:
50% of illegal border crossers are apprehended according to Yale and MIT predictive modeling. That means hundreds of thousands flooding in and you have zero ideas how many have covid or any other disease. While the Title 42 expulsion regs may give Border Patrol the ability to punt these people back over the border due to Covid, our agents and their staffs are still forced to come into contact with these people. According to NBC News, more than 18 percent of migrant families and 20 percent of unaccompanied minors who recently crossed the U.S. border tested positive for Covid. Do you think this could be linked to the fact that 25% of the agents in the Border Patrol's Rio Grande Valley Sector in Texas have tested positive for the coronavirus? This sector, as of July, has seen a 900% increase in Covid infected illegal immigrants compared to the first 14 months
The only fear-mongering I see is that being spewed by the leftist media.
So if you think that tens of thousands covid infected illegals that are apprehended and released into the general population and the percentage of infected amongst those not apprehended at the border are insignificant, sitting at Hynes with a couple of hundred unvaccinated Iona fans should also be insignificant.
A recent study (link above) appears to link the Lambda variant with resistance to vaccines. It is spreading in South America at an alarming rate, yet our public servants care so much about our health, that they maintain an open border policy, releasing Covid infected illegal immigrants into the general population.
When are we going to stop with this rubbish? My God when are we going to evolve from the primitive fear that if we don't destroy the other tribe it will destroy us. It is this irrational, visceral, primitive psychology that allows people to ignore trump's corruption and extraordinary unfitness for office. We don't care if he is a serial liar trying to get through the next minute of his presidency, or shaking down the president of a sovereign nation as if a head of state were the land commissioner of Queens, he's talking about fighting the people who threaten "our survival" - the other. One of the oldest and most primitive impulses we have as humans. Every fascist of the twentieth century used this tactic, and most of the totalitarian communists.
We don't have to exterminate the "other" in order to survive. Define the other as you will, trump and his ilk left it purposely vague enough, although a lot of racist markers were set out: African Americans, Blacks, Latinos, LGBTQ, liberals, Muslims, Jews, people who like dogs, people who like cats, etc. This thinking is a virus on the political discourse in this country, much like the physical virus of COVID-19. It needs a metaphorical vaccine.
A recent study (link above) appears to link the Lambda variant with resistance to vaccines. It is spreading in South America at an alarming rate, yet our public servants care so much about our health, that they maintain an open border policy, releasing Covid infected illegal immigrants into the general population.
When are we going to stop with this rubbish? My God when are we going to evolve from the primitive fear that if we don't destroy the other tribe it will destroy us. It is this irrational, visceral, primitive psychology that allows people to ignore trump's corruption and extraordinary unfitness for office. We don't care if he is a serial liar trying to get through the next minute of his presidency, or shaking down the president of a sovereign nation as if a head of state were the land commissioner of Queens, he's talking about fighting the people who threaten "our survival" - the other. One of the oldest and most primitive impulses we have as humans. Every fascist of the twentieth century used this tactic, and most of the totalitarian communists.
We don't have to exterminate the "other" in order to survive. Define the other as you will, trump and his ilk left it purposely vague enough, although a lot of racist markers were set out: African Americans, Blacks, Latinos, LGBTQ, liberals, Muslims, Jews, people who like dogs, people who like cats, etc. This thinking is a virus on the political discourse in this country, much like the physical virus of COVID-19. It needs a metaphorical vaccine.
I don't consider myself part of any tribe. I consider myself more of a lone wolf. But with your opening statement, I find it ironic that you use almost every CNN/MSNBC talking point regarding that evil little orange man. In one breath Trump is an evil genius, in the next breath, he was a bumbling idiot. Which is it? If you think Trump was dividing us, but the blatant disregard for laws, fanning the flames of riots, and the radical policies of the Left are OK, you have been brainwashed by your tribe.
The virus I see in political discourse is the willingness of the left to allow major media and social media to silence conservatives and anyone else who does not preach their dogma. The more I witness the censorship, the more I believe that William F. Buckley was correct.
“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.” - William F. Buckley
If anyone claims that the mRNA vaccine was rushed into production, I would think that this opinion in the video would refute that. I have never alleged that, I would think this brand new breakthrough form of vaccine has been being worked on for years and it now being used on the public for the first time.
When are we going to stop with this rubbish? My God when are we going to evolve from the primitive fear that if we don't destroy the other tribe it will destroy us. It is this irrational, visceral, primitive psychology that allows people to ignore trump's corruption and extraordinary unfitness for office. We don't care if he is a serial liar trying to get through the next minute of his presidency, or shaking down the president of a sovereign nation as if a head of state were the land commissioner of Queens, he's talking about fighting the people who threaten "our survival" - the other. One of the oldest and most primitive impulses we have as humans. Every fascist of the twentieth century used this tactic, and most of the totalitarian communists.
We don't have to exterminate the "other" in order to survive. Define the other as you will, trump and his ilk left it purposely vague enough, although a lot of racist markers were set out: African Americans, Blacks, Latinos, LGBTQ, liberals, Muslims, Jews, people who like dogs, people who like cats, etc. This thinking is a virus on the political discourse in this country, much like the physical virus of COVID-19. It needs a metaphorical vaccine.
I don't consider myself part of any tribe. I consider myself more of a lone wolf. But with your opening statement, I find it ironic that you use almost every CNN/MSNBC talking point regarding that evil little orange man. In one breath Trump is an evil genius, in the next breath, he was a bumbling idiot. Which is it? If you think Trump was dividing us, but the blatant disregard for laws, fanning the flames of riots, and the radical policies of the Left are OK, you have been brainwashed by your tribe.
The virus I see in political discourse is the willingness of the left to allow major media and social media to silence conservatives and anyone else who does not preach their dogma. The more I witness the censorship, the more I believe that William F. Buckley was correct.
“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.” - William F. Buckley
I don't consider myself part of any tribe. I consider myself more of a lone wolf. But with your opening statement, I find it ironic that you use almost every CNN/MSNBC talking point regarding that evil little orange man. In one breath Trump is an evil genius, in the next breath, he was a bumbling idiot. Which is it? If you think Trump was dividing us, but the blatant disregard for laws, fanning the flames of riots, and the radical policies of the Left are OK, you have been brainwashed by your tribe.
The virus I see in political discourse is the willingness of the left to allow major media and social media to silence conservatives and anyone else who does not preach their dogma. The more I witness the censorship, the more I believe that William F. Buckley was correct.
“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.” - William F. Buckley
I didn't get any of this from CNN/MSNBC.
Maybe you should write for them. It is the same "Orange man bad" diatribe that was propagated by 90% of the US liberal media. Tell me, is it irrational, visceral, primitive psychology that allows people to ignore Biden's incompetence, his brother and son's complete corruption that Joe profited from. As for extraordinary unfitness for office, I think Uncle Joe has displayed those traits... are you barking for him to be removed? As for shaking down the president of a sovereign nation... did you read about Vindman admitting he was the whistleblower even though he testified under oath that he was not that person? So the guy verifying the whistleblower was the whistleblower himself. Sounds a lot like the FBI investigation of Trump/Russia... they make a claim about Trump and then leak it to the Washington Post and NY Times, then use those made-up stories as corroboration before the FISA court. Where is the arrest for perjury? I guess it only works one way... you lie to the government and you go to jail, if the government lies to the people they get a book deal and a regular slot on CNN.
As for fascist tactics, we all got a lesson in them from the Left's brownshirts (Antifa)... mostly peaceful riots my ass.
MSNBC’s viewership fell by 36%, with an average of 1.31 million viewers, while CNN’s ratings dropped by 57%, averaging 798,000 viewers during primetime hours of 8 p.m. to 11 p.m. ET, according to data from Nielsen. William A. Jacobson, a professor at Cornell Law School and a media critic, claims that liberal networks relied on “bashing” Trump to boost their viewership. He also accused the news stations of having “credibility problems.” According to Jacobson, "CNN and MSNBC were one-trick ponies, and that trick was bashing Trump, Now that Trump no longer is president, they have tried to keep up the mania, but it's hard.” So maybe you can help them spew their vitriol at Trump, Trumpsters, Far-Right Wing Terrorists, deplorables' and anyone else who dares to oppose them, while wearing your "Tribes" warpaint and pointing fingers at the other guys "Tribe." You seem very stuck in the Anti Trumpers Tribe, Bill... I think you are having trouble letting go of this just like CNN.
But this does not mean that I don't love you! I don't want this turning into a Larry David/Alan Dershowitz thing. We can agree that there is more than one way to look at things. Have a good one and stay safe.
Maybe you should write for them. It is the same "Orange man bad" diatribe that was propagated by 90% of the US liberal media. Tell me, is it irrational, visceral, primitive psychology that allows people to ignore Biden's incompetence, his brother and son's complete corruption that Joe profited from. As for extraordinary unfitness for office, I think Uncle Joe has displayed those traits... are you barking for him to be removed? As for shaking down the president of a sovereign nation... did you read about Vindman admitting he was the whistleblower even though he testified under oath that he was not that person? So the guy verifying the whistleblower was the whistleblower himself. Sounds a lot like the FBI investigation of Trump/Russia... they make a claim about Trump and then leak it to the Washington Post and NY Times, then use those made-up stories as corroboration before the FISA court. Where is the arrest for perjury? I guess it only works one way... you lie to the government and you go to jail, if the government lies to the people they get a book deal and a regular slot on CNN.
As for fascist tactics, we all got a lesson in them from the Left's brownshirts (Antifa)... mostly peaceful riots my ass.
MSNBC’s viewership fell by 36%, with an average of 1.31 million viewers, while CNN’s ratings dropped by 57%, averaging 798,000 viewers during primetime hours of 8 p.m. to 11 p.m. ET, according to data from Nielsen. William A. Jacobson, a professor at Cornell Law School and a media critic, claims that liberal networks relied on “bashing” Trump to boost their viewership. He also accused the news stations of having “credibility problems.” According to Jacobson, "CNN and MSNBC were one-trick ponies, and that trick was bashing Trump, Now that Trump no longer is president, they have tried to keep up the mania, but it's hard.” So maybe you can help them spew their vitriol at Trump, Trumpsters, Far-Right Wing Terrorists, deplorables' and anyone else who dares to oppose them, while wearing your "Tribes" warpaint and pointing fingers at the other guys "Tribe." You seem very stuck in the Anti Trumpers Tribe, Bill... I think you are having trouble letting go of this just like CNN.
But this does not mean that I don't love you! I don't want this turning into a Larry David/Alan Dershowitz thing. We can agree that there is more than one way to look at things. Have a good one and stay safe.
Got news for you. The orange man was bad. Very bad for the country. How you don’t see that is mystifying.
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Maybe you should write for them. It is the same "Orange man bad" diatribe that was propagated by 90% of the US liberal media. Tell me, is it irrational, visceral, primitive psychology that allows people to ignore Biden's incompetence, his brother and son's complete corruption that Joe profited from. As for extraordinary unfitness for office, I think Uncle Joe has displayed those traits... are you barking for him to be removed? As for shaking down the president of a sovereign nation... did you read about Vindman admitting he was the whistleblower even though he testified under oath that he was not that person? So the guy verifying the whistleblower was the whistleblower himself. Sounds a lot like the FBI investigation of Trump/Russia... they make a claim about Trump and then leak it to the Washington Post and NY Times, then use those made-up stories as corroboration before the FISA court. Where is the arrest for perjury? I guess it only works one way... you lie to the government and you go to jail, if the government lies to the people they get a book deal and a regular slot on CNN.
As for fascist tactics, we all got a lesson in them from the Left's brownshirts (Antifa)... mostly peaceful riots my ass.
MSNBC’s viewership fell by 36%, with an average of 1.31 million viewers, while CNN’s ratings dropped by 57%, averaging 798,000 viewers during primetime hours of 8 p.m. to 11 p.m. ET, according to data from Nielsen. William A. Jacobson, a professor at Cornell Law School and a media critic, claims that liberal networks relied on “bashing” Trump to boost their viewership. He also accused the news stations of having “credibility problems.” According to Jacobson, "CNN and MSNBC were one-trick ponies, and that trick was bashing Trump, Now that Trump no longer is president, they have tried to keep up the mania, but it's hard.” So maybe you can help them spew their vitriol at Trump, Trumpsters, Far-Right Wing Terrorists, deplorables' and anyone else who dares to oppose them, while wearing your "Tribes" warpaint and pointing fingers at the other guys "Tribe." You seem very stuck in the Anti Trumpers Tribe, Bill... I think you are having trouble letting go of this just like CNN.
But this does not mean that I don't love you! I don't want this turning into a Larry David/Alan Dershowitz thing. We can agree that there is more than one way to look at things. Have a good one and stay safe.
Got news for you. The orange man was bad. Very bad for the country. How you don’t see that is mystifying.
Why is everything black, white and orange to you Bill. It sounds very racist.
Got news for you. The orange man was bad. Very bad for the country. How you don’t see that is mystifying.
Why is everything black, white and orange to you Bill. It sounds very racist.
86 you accuse me of using CNN/MSNBC "talking points," yet you ascribe to every right wing propaganda notion out there. Where was Biden's son's corruption? He sat on a board of a Ukrainian company? How did Joe benefit from it? How is Biden incompetent? Compared to Trump he looks like Abe Lincoln. Granted, I'll give you this evacuation from Afghanistan is a mess, but Biden made the right decision here (same decision Trump promised to make only Trump promised to have it done by May). It has been implemented poorly. Other than that I don't see any "incompetence," like we did with Trump almost on the daily.
I like you 86. I think you are an earnest guy. I'm not gonna fall for your attempt to paint me as a racist here, however tongue-in-cheek it may be. I think when it comes to Trump you have blinders on for some reason.
And please stop with the "Antifa" card. "Antifa" is not an arm of the Democratic Party. Anyone who engages in violence on the right or left is wrong in my opinion, and "Antifa" is dwarfed by the myriad radicalized right wing militia groups and white supremacists groups who would like nothing more than an overthrow of our democracy and a fascist dictatorship. They probably wouldn't like that much though as that fascist dictator would seize their guns unless he could utilize them as a paramilitary organization.
As for the vaccine - which is the topic of this thread - it is proven to be safe as much as any new vaccine. Not getting it is irresponsible. It doesn't prevent people from contracting the illness, just like any other viral vaccine. It does greatly lessen the chances that people who contract it will end up in a hospital ICU (which are again currently overwhelmed in certain areas of the country) and lessen the chance that people will pass it on to others. Universal vaccination is the key to getting back to normal.
Done here. Can't spend this much time on this stuff.
Last Edit: Aug 20, 2021 8:49:39 GMT -5 by hawaii bill
