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Post by iona05 on Mar 19, 2023 10:33:00 GMT -5
So he goes to negotiate at St John's and comes back, you guys are ok with that? He shows he used us again. Shows no loyalty to the kids on HIS team here. The man lies about everything, we made a deal with the devil, he bashes the school all the time with the BS how he changed the culture on and off the court including in the classroom, so Iona had kids that were bad students the nation believes? We don't do buy games which is how we supported the program, we don't have a schedule for next year because he must hand pick each opponent. It's ok how he is holding the program hostage, I remember when Massiello took another job and came back how everyone called him names, it's the same thing here, he essentially has left as long as st chicken meets his demands. How would you feel if you were a player? Only reason I want him back is for the players. Would have arguably the best MM in the country. As far as being OK with him deciding to stay at Iona, to be fair Cluess wanted Hofstra and SJU jobs. Correct? Don't remember any hard feelings fron the fan base. As far as the players? Why wouldn't they want to run it back next season? Might see a couple transfer even if he does come back, but it won't be because he flirted with SJU Correct on Hofstra. SJU was a bit more complicated from what I remember. |
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Post by Super on Mar 19, 2023 10:45:08 GMT -5
For me:
ROI after all the hoopla and $$$
Two first round NCAA losses ( no difference)
One first round MAAC loss ( first time since his boy Willard did it 3x.
Add in Abatemarco “resigning “ followed by Masiello hiring.
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Post by Joebird on Mar 19, 2023 10:46:30 GMT -5
One thing I find strange is at the last home game in March I was told he wasn’t interested in St. John’s and his interest was Georgetown, and He also didn’t want a football school. This is from someone who is close to someone close to Pitino. Then it appears Georgetown really wanted someone else, all of a sudden he was interested in St. John’s. That tells me he is not 100% excited about St. John’s, something to keep in mind in the next few days. I also wonder if Providence could jump into the picture if Cooley leaves. They have the facilities St. John’s doesn’t. But I guess this depends on whether he truly doesn’t want to move. One other thing to keep in mind, although St. John’s is close, it is not as easy as driving from winged foot to Iona. Yes he’ll have a driver at St. John’s and probably a local apartment but it isn’t quite as convenient. Basically I don’t think this is 100% certain yet despite what many are saying.
One other factor, I do get the feeling some at Iona may not care if he leaves, he may have wore out his welcome already.
If he stays I do think turning down St. John’s can help him in recruiting.
As for the hating him, I wouldn’t hate him if he went anywhere else, just dislike, but for me St. Chicken makes it hate, and it would grow exponentially for each player that follows him there. That is what I am really worried about, we can always find another good coach, but experienced good starters will be very difficult to duplicate, if not impossible.
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Post by sharkey on Mar 19, 2023 10:52:13 GMT -5
One thing I find strange is at the last home game in March I was told he wasn’t interested in St. John’s and his interest was Georgetown, and He also didn’t want a football school. This is from someone who is close to someone close to Pitino. Then it appears Georgetown really wanted someone else, all of a sudden he was interested in St. John’s. That tells me he is not 100% excited about St. John’s, something to keep in mind in the next few days. I also wonder if Providence could jump into the picture if Cooley leaves. They have the facilities St. John’s doesn’t. But I guess this depends on whether he truly doesn’t want to move. One other thing to keep in mind, although St. John’s is close, it is not as easy as driving from winged foot to Iona. Yes he’ll have a driver at St. John’s and probably a local apartment but it isn’t quite as convenient. Basically I don’t think this is 100% certain yet despite what many are saying. One other factor, I do get the feeling some at Iona may not care if he leaves, he may have wore out his welcome already. If he stays I do think turning down St. John’s can help him in recruiting. If he stays, I truly believe Iona would be his last stop, and the program could really take off. All of the programs he would have real interest in will all have new coaches including USF and UCF |
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Post by ichoops2018 on Mar 19, 2023 10:55:35 GMT -5
The difference between Cluess and Pitino is Cluess never openly said he was retiring at Iona. Pitino repeatedly said on his media run during his first MAAC championship that he has absolutely no intention of leaving Iona because of what they did for him. I just don’t understand how you can respect someone who says that and then goes and does the complete opposite. I understand things change but then don’t say those things then.
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Post by gaelsiona on Mar 19, 2023 10:59:03 GMT -5
One thing I find strange is at the last home game in March I was told he wasn’t interested in St. John’s and his interest was Georgetown, and He also didn’t want a football school. This is from someone who is close to someone close to Pitino. Then it appears Georgetown really wanted someone else, all of a sudden he was interested in St. John’s. That tells me he is not 100% excited about St. John’s, something to keep in mind in the next few days. I also wonder if Providence could jump into the picture if Cooley leaves. They have the facilities St. John’s doesn’t. But I guess this depends on whether he truly doesn’t want to move. One other thing to keep in mind, although St. John’s is close, it is not as easy as driving from winged foot to Iona. Yes he’ll have a driver at St. John’s and probably a local apartment but it isn’t quite as convenient. Basically I don’t think this is 100% certain yet despite what many are saying. One other factor, I do get the feeling some at Iona may not care if he leaves, he may have wore out his welcome already. If he stays I do think turning down St. John’s can help him in recruiting. As for the hating him, I wouldn’t hate him if he went anywhere else, just dislike, but for me St. Chicken makes it hate, and it would grow exponentially for each player that follows him there. That is what I am really worried about, we can always find another good coach, but experienced good starters will be very difficult to duplicate, if not impossible. I will hate him with a burning passion. He’s only considering SJU because of their conference and his ability to recruit 4/5 stars especially now with NIL. The MAAC makes it almost impossible to obtain an at large. |
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Post by sharkey on Mar 19, 2023 10:59:05 GMT -5
The difference between Cluess and Pitino is Cluess never openly said he was retiring at Iona. Pitino repeatedly said on his media run during his first MAAC championship that he has absolutely no intention of leaving Iona because of what they did for him. I just don’t understand how you can respect someone who says that and then goes and does the complete opposite. I understand things change but then don’t say those things then. Which is why I don't understand why Carey would waive the buyout. I hope the truth gets leaked |
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Post by Joebird on Mar 19, 2023 11:25:40 GMT -5
The difference between Cluess and Pitino is Cluess never openly said he was retiring at Iona. Pitino repeatedly said on his media run during his first MAAC championship that he has absolutely no intention of leaving Iona because of what they did for him. I just don’t understand how you can respect someone who says that and then goes and does the complete opposite. I understand things change but then don’t say those things then. Which is why I don't understand why Carey would waive the buyout. I hope the truth gets leaked Possibly They don’t care or actually may want him to leave? A lifetime (contract) of Pitino may not be what some can take. He truly would be king of the school! |
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Post by GuyF on Mar 19, 2023 11:31:24 GMT -5
Braziller = brilliant. Iona or SJU! Who else is really in play. No good rumor except Texas Tech. Georgetown would never consider him. Providence was being tossed around if Cooley left, but not sure how much was really there. |
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Post by sharkey on Mar 19, 2023 11:34:25 GMT -5
Which is why I don't understand why Carey would waive the buyout. I hope the truth gets leaked Possibly They don’t care or actually may want him to leave? A lifetime (contract) of Pitino may not be what some can take. He truly would be king of the school! I get that maybe Iona had enough. But in my opinion, still zero excuse to waive the buyout. These programs are using the excuse that they can hire him now since he's been cleared. Even if the buyout was still 5M, which I doubt guessing much less, that's nothing for those programs. Repole is a billionaire. |
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Post by iona05 on Mar 19, 2023 11:36:33 GMT -5
The difference between Cluess and Pitino is Cluess never openly said he was retiring at Iona. Pitino repeatedly said on his media run during his first MAAC championship that he has absolutely no intention of leaving Iona because of what they did for him. I just don’t understand how you can respect someone who says that and then goes and does the complete opposite. I understand things change but then don’t say those things then. Great point |
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Post by sigael on Mar 19, 2023 11:38:21 GMT -5
Maybe it was Iona telling him it is time for him to get out and removing the buy out is the impetus he needs. He was very public about the move to A10 and the fight with Ensor about the playoff structure. I found it odd that Carey was silent about the school’s position. Pitino overstepped his bounds as a basketball coach. Too outspoken. Then as noted previously there were comments about changing the schools’s winning culture and the academics of the team. I also thought that the public criticism of the front court vs UCONN was uncalled for. The injuries over and over and over.
I totally appreciate what he did in terms of recruiting, scheduling and improvements to Hynes. The player’s love him too.
I just think that he needed to take a chill pill about a number of issues that possibly pissed off Carey and the conservative Board of Directors.
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Post by iona05 on Mar 19, 2023 11:43:17 GMT -5
Maybe it was Iona telling him it is time for him to get out and removing the buy out is the impetus he needs. He was very public about the move to A10 and the fight with Ensor about the playoff structure. I found it odd that Carey was silent about the school’s position. Pitino overstepped his bounds as a basketball coach. Too outspoken. Then as noted previously there were comments about changing the schools’s winning culture and the academics of the team. I also thought that the public criticism od the front court vs UCONN was uncalled for. The injuries over and over and over. I totally appreciate what he did on terms of recruiting, scheduling and improvements to Hynes. The player’s love him too. I just think that he needed to take a chill pill about a number of issues that possibly pissed off Carey and the conservative Board of Directors. There is definitely some element of truth to this. Lots of these things stay off the message board and remain privileged. My understanding is that there has been some frustration and disconnect internally, however I don’t believe it would get to a point where he wouldn’t be welcomed back as a coach or where we would willingly wipe out his buyout as a way of encouraging him to leave. No inside info, just a hunch. |
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Post by ic1983 on Mar 19, 2023 11:43:56 GMT -5
Maybe it was Iona telling him it is time for him to get out and removing the buy out is the impetus he needs. He was very public about the move to A10 and the fight with Ensor about the playoff structure. I found it odd that Carey was silent about the school’s position. Pitino overstepped his bounds as a basketball coach. Too outspoken. Then as noted previously there were comments about changing the schools’s winning culture and the academics of the team. I also thought that the public criticism of the front court vs UCONN was uncalled for. The injuries over and over and over. I totally appreciate what he did in terms of recruiting, scheduling and improvements to Hynes. The player’s love him too. I just think that he needed to take a chill pill about a number of issues that possibly pissed off Carey and the conservative Board of Directors. This scenario is possible. |
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Post by iona1970 on Mar 19, 2023 11:46:13 GMT -5
The difference between Cluess and Pitino is Cluess never openly said he was retiring at Iona. Pitino repeatedly said on his media run during his first MAAC championship that he has absolutely no intention of leaving Iona because of what they did for him. I just don’t understand how you can respect someone who says that and then goes and does the complete opposite. I understand things change but then don’t say those things then. 100% agree |
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