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Post by chelseadal on Jul 27, 2014 23:07:11 GMT -5
I've been married 16 years now. Does that count as being a war veteran? Sledge couldn't get off our bench down the stretch last year. Even if his game jumps a bit during this offseason--doubtful, since he was busy having a kid--he's not going to see an increase in PT this year. If Sledge jumps from role player to key player for us, we're only winning 15 games. That is certainly the way it seems. OT has been stressing that Tavon's play has been uneven when he has been in and Guy points out he was not used much last year. Why would anyone think that that would change suddenly? No one has anything against the kid, but there is nothing other than "hope" to really go on.
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Post by hawaii bill on Jul 28, 2014 10:39:40 GMT -5
I know this is just basic fan stuff and I always engaged in it myself, but I have to acknowledge the absurdity of criticizing any athlete who is better than 95% of the people who tried his/her sport, but in comparison to maybe the elite one or two percent comes up a bit lacking.
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Post by iona1970 on Jul 28, 2014 11:12:01 GMT -5
i agree with guy, if sledge plays a major role we win 15 games and I would say casimir would have been a bust in that scenario and probably at ;east 1 other player, if everyone is playing well and healthy he is probably the 9th or 10th player on a successful iona team
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Post by GuyF on Jul 28, 2014 12:04:23 GMT -5
i agree with guy, if sledge plays a major role we win 15 games and I would say casimir would have been a bust in that scenario and probably at ;east 1 other player, if everyone is playing well and healthy he is probably the 9th or 10th player on a successful iona team Yes, good add to my point, re Casimir. He's gotten his share of offseason hype here--if Sledge is getting more minutes than Casimir, it means we overhyped him a bit. In the end, Cluess will still go with the top 5 players, regardless of position. We can talk about a bigger lineup, having undersized PGs, etc, but in an 82-82 game with a minute to go, who are the 5 guys on the floor? I think we all know English, Laury and IW are 3 of those 5. Amayo appears a good fit for spot #4. I can see a platoon for spot #5 between Casimir on O and Dublin on D. And yes, I'm still higher on Dublin than most, and more than may be warranted. I just feel like, in between IW and Laury, and as the 5th option, he's going to be a pain in the butt for opponents. Completely my opinion on that stuff. For all I know, Hines has shined in the coaches' eyes and will be our other frontcourt starter.
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Post by gregcrow on Jul 28, 2014 12:08:08 GMT -5
I know this is just basic fan stuff and I always engaged in it myself, but I have to acknowledge the absurdity of criticizing any athlete who is better than 95% of the people who tried his/her sport, but in comparison to maybe the elite one or two percent comes up a bit lacking. Good point and actually to get a division 1 scholarship you are probably better than well over 99% of the athletes in your sport. But, that's what we do here and I am fine with it. I am of the camp that believes Tavon can be a major contributor to a very good Iona team. Just my opinion, and I understand what those that disagree are saying, but, if healthy, I think he will be in the mix.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 12:51:01 GMT -5
I am a big supporter of this kid and what he brings to our team. quote....... Also I've seen CS play and yes he is exciting and will help iona at the point but he is very small and will be a matchup problem defensively no matter what defense we play.?.... gordan4mvp.....I hope you fully understand this to be strictly a basketball difference of opinion, and nothing that would cause personal animosity is involved. But......... What does, Sledge as you state ''What he brings to our team''...Please enlighten me because that statement needs some form of justification before excepted at face value...An unbiased look at his stats and overall performance outside of a rare athletic eye catching move will reveal his true worth...By any true emotion free evaluation he at most has become a rest giving substitution.......It was also shown by the shortened playing time given to him... Although almost exactly the same size, you diminish and feel that Casimir height will be a problem, but Sledge's will not... There are some will say that the ''Oldtimer'' has a vendetta against Sledge...I can only hope that team value and proven facts will prevail over personal emotion... I have never had any contacts with Sledge, never posted a personal bad word about him, but I will never relinquish my right as a loyal long time fan to question his Iona team basketball worth...That is a fans prerogative...It may seem to some modern agers as a unfair cruel way to post, but I of course come from a long lost world where you could be told without fear of hurt feelings, that you were not doing a job satisfactory...It usually made you try harder... [/quote] Experience plays a big role, not many recruits come in during the first year and perform very well. Sledge has experience and can handle situations better. Sledge is faster and more physical and the thing I love about sledge is how he doesn't back down because of his size. Sledge brings that tough gritty attitude to the team. He might not be as good of an offensive player but he does bring heart and control to the game. Two years ago he averaged a 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio when momo had 2 more turnovers to assist. Not to mention he averaged 3 rebounds and 7 points per game. He played his role well and knew what his job was. SC is a scorer and we all know that but with IW,AJ,DL and English is scoring what we really need right now?? He was also second of the team in assists only behind momo who played almost 16 more minutes than him. I believe if he continues to know his role and play like he did 2 years ago he will be an instrumental part of the team. I also believe with him starting and helping SC with the mental aspect of the game it will help SC for next year. I take no offense to your comments and understand your points but you're right that you can speak your mind. I agree with some of your points but not all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 12:54:56 GMT -5
Also don't forget against ohio state he had 20 points and no turnovers in the game when he played close to 38 minutes in the game. I feel when we play better competition he stands up and plays better. Just my thoughts.
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Post by tiger on Jul 28, 2014 15:19:44 GMT -5
I believe sledge is a very good player who (based on talent and especially athletic ability) will (should) be in the rotation...if he isn't. It's because he is a)hurt or b) in the doghouse
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Post by hawaii bill on Jul 28, 2014 15:34:59 GMT -5
Well the thing is that we don't have the level of knowledge that Cluess does regarding his players, so we really can't say who should/shouldn't be in the lineup. Based on what we see of Sledge he's a very athletic guy with a lot of ability. We don't see him practice, we don't know if he studies scouting reports, works out regularly, leads in the locker room, etc. There is a lot we don't know about any of the players. I'm not saying we can't question the use of players, that's what fans do. But there's a lot we don't have access to when forming our opinions.
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Post by GuyF on Jul 28, 2014 16:07:58 GMT -5
I've heard reports from good sources that he has a poor work ethic.
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Post by tiger on Jul 28, 2014 16:28:16 GMT -5
I've heard reports from good sources that he has a poor work ethic. ok-well-that explains why he doesn't receive as much playing time as some (myself) believe he should...let's hope he changes that this year...
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Post by hawaii bill on Jul 28, 2014 16:55:37 GMT -5
I've heard reports from good sources that he has a poor work ethic. ok-well-that explains why he doesn't receive as much playing time as some (myself) believe he should...let's hope he changes that this year... No better time to develop a strong work ethic than when you become a new father and have a baby depending on you.
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Post by chelseadal on Jul 28, 2014 20:04:58 GMT -5
ok-well-that explains why he doesn't receive as much playing time as some (myself) believe he should...let's hope he changes that this year... No better time to develop a strong work ethic than when you become a new father and have a baby depending on you. Very hard to change that drastically in a short time frame.
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Post by Cjb on Jul 28, 2014 20:38:35 GMT -5
I've heard reports from good sources that he has a poor work ethic. Hard to fathom a guy so gifted with incredible talent to have "a poor work ethic". If true, imagine what someone like that could be with a better work ethic?
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Post by tiger on Jul 29, 2014 8:47:14 GMT -5
he would be playing for a "major" which is who recruited him out of high school
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